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S priests need a buff? let the qq begin
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Giliandrix
If you're running out of mana, throw SW:D into your rotation. It's a DPS loss until 25%, but at least you won't OOM.
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sevink
Being a shadow priest during entire vanilla and recently rerolling as a Goblin. Yes I'm 85 (1-85 in a week thank you very much). I can tell you I am really enjoying the numbers I'm currently seeing on BOSSES.
Yes we are medicore at trash, thats a given, I personally don't use archangle during trash unless I feel I need the mana, but knowing this it does bring your dps down during trash. Plus the ramp up time sucks on trash.
Take this for what it is, but I'm not waiting for 3 orbs during every mind blast, I'm keeping it on CD as much as possible.
Here's the rotation I've been using on boss fights, I am easily keeping up with mages, warlocks and all spell casters. I am losing out to hunters.
VT - MB - SWD - DP - SWP - MF - MB - VT - SWD
I keep my dots up as much as possible and try to use the most our of arch angel.
If your only doing heroics (which most people are) you dont need to be hit capped for 88 mobs only 87. I've reforged out of spirit to haste/crit when possible.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/bleeding-hollow/vasill/simple
There's my armory.
When you look at shadow priest you need to think it in terms of this. We are good dps, situation CC, great utility, and backup healing. I'm ok with doing slightly under a pure dps class dps. I single handly prevent whipes, not many dps classes can do that by them selves..
Post by
karlusdavius
Your rotation makes no sense. Explain why you only put on dot up befor using MB and SWD (which is a dps loss)
Post by
echonn123
Wow. Im very happy about all the responses im getting here. I wanted to say that I do feel like I QQed a little early. As ive been gearing up I am seeing a very nice boost to the dps. I completely agree with a lot of the comments about Shadow Priests being a great utility class.
Especially with the newest dungeons Mind Control is a rare gem of a cc that can be used pretty much every where (except grim batol but that place sucks.) I too feel like i have contributed a lot in my groups. Hymn of hope, heals, and shields on a tank can easily cause him/her from dieing. I think thats great.
But there is certainly a discussion to be had about raiding being based around the amount of dps you're putting out in the eyes of fellow guild members. Maybe my guild is mentally deficient but basically once they get all their raid buffs they turn around and look at the dps meters to see whos on top. Those are the ones who get to raid. If you win at mechanics, save your tanks life with a shield, or save your raid by giving the healer enough mana to aoe heal one last time, there isnt a whole lot of praise that comes out. Sure the lock or mage or hunter that does 20k damage looks pretty but the spriest sitting at 14k still looks like a noob. Its the same mentality as the idiots who used to spam "LFM ICC, GEAR CHECK IN DAL" or "MUST BE OVER 5000 GS". Alot of people dont care about skill, they care more about someone who can mash their one button and LOLZKILL&*!@FAST. So yeah maybe shadow priests dont need a dps buff, but the appreciation they get for saving everyones ass does.
Also things we need imo for spriest:
- Mastery to be fixed
- Glyph of Leap of Faith (1.5min cd is far to long to wait for me to continue tormenting my party members)
Thanks for the replies everyone. Happy Holidays and i look forward to your continuing posts.
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sevink
Your rotation makes no sense. Explain why you only put on dot up befor using MB and SWD (which is a dps loss)
Actually it makes a lot of sense,I play keeping MB and SWD on CD as much as possible. You start with VT because at early stages of a fight you want the tank to get some aggro. You can prefade before VT, but really you wont be doing any damage till your MB hits, by that time your tank will have aggro.
You're stalling your initial dps to let the tank get aggro, from there the rotation really fits it its self, once your dots are on, after every mindflay you will be using MB or SWD depending which is ready.
If you have a better rotation I'd love to see it, I'm all about getting more DPS, but from this rotation I've been seeing 9-11k dps on heroic boss fights. Which I think is pretty ok for Spriest atm.
To the post above me, if your guild can't understand the ulitity you bring over a pure dps class then you shouldn't be raiding with such bads. DPS meters don't show the whole story, on top of that, Blizzard has said they want pure DPS classes to have about 5% more dps then "hybrids", aslong as your withen 5% of their dps, and comp gear then I see no problem. I recently ran a Tol Barad as shadow being the only Mass dispell that was my job. I pulled about 10k, while having to burn so much mana and effort dispelling. If your guild can't understand what you bring then thats on them not you, and you should find a better guild.
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drahmin
Here's a few tips for my fellow spriests that are feeling bad about being beaten by mages and stuff.
Heroics: First of all know that your Mind Sear has been nerfed badly.Yes it used to be the best aoe before, but now, useless, unless you have to use it.(magmaw parasites)If you are facing a pack in a heroic, first of all use the power of the "v" key.Then do this;
Select a mob, cast sw:p d.p.Select two other mobs and cast sw:p too.And while doing these keep moving.Remember that you will increase the chance of procin apparitions while movin.And when you are done stand still and find the first one you placed your d.p on and cast v.t and start m.f.If you have an orb up, use m.b and get e.shadows.While castin m.f on your primary target, you gotta choose your other 2 targets and cast m.f on them too in order to refresh sw:p.If the fight looks like it'll last for a while, use your wings and keep it up.If the mobs won't hurt you because you are close to them, be close and let your apparitions hit faster.And enjoy your dps.
Hittin 14-15k dps with this tactic at a 2xmob of a pack with 1.2m hp.
Don't forget shadow priests are meant to be multi dotting and now with cata, we are forced to.
Bosses: Things change a bit for single targets.So here's my tactic;
sw:p > 2x mf = at least 1 orb > m.b > d.p > v.t > fiend > wings > go on. < If your tank looses aggro while you are doing these, it's his fault, this is the burst of a s.priest, and actually, it's nothing beside a mage or shaman burst.But, if your tank is trying to pick up smth else with the boss together, then take it easy while doing those.
I do not use improved mind blast since i only use m.b to keep E.shadows up.So with this rotation, you place your dots on the boss while you have e.shadows up = increased damage.
Also note that we have a nice mana return from sw:d.Even if you don't wanna use it in your rotation, many fights including heroics and raids requires a lot of movement.So, instead of doing nothing while moving, casting sw:d and getting %10mana back is a good thing to do.
And depending on the search i made today about new stats of s.priests(updated subjects), although mastery may look like an important stat, it's still haste > crit = mastery.Having 1.7sec channel time on m.f at wotlk, and now 2.5sec, is just making one go /emo.
Just don't forget that you are a hybrid class, you can save a raid wipe with giving up on dps for a few seconds and casting divine hymn,leaping a tank if he's going to die with the next swing of a boss or giving your healers a lot mana back with hymn of hope and much more other stuff.Neither mages nor hunters can do any of these.If you are doing w/e you are supposed to while dpsing and getting trolled by some random guy for your dps, just /care.
Hope these helps.
Prieser - Silvermoon EU
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