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Post by
donnymurph
a) Your Heal and GHeal don't take 3.4 seconds, their BASE casting time is 3 seconds.
b) EVERY piece of gear should have spirit on it as standard. I hate to be harsh here, but you sound to me like the "if it has intel it's fair game" attitude, which is totally dumb. Your gear should be EITHER stam/int/spirit/haste OR stam/int/spirit/mastery. Avoid crit like the plague. Once you have 12.5% haste raid-buffed, reforge your remaining haste into mastery. 12.5% will give you a 5 tick renew, and is probably all that your mana regen will be able to support.
c) It would be nice to see a battle.net link, especially to see how you gem. At any rate, red sockets should be pure intellect, blue sockets should be int/spirit, and yellow slots should be int/mastery, unless you are short of your haste requirement, in which case use int/haste. Int is the only pure gem you should be using.
d) /sigh I really need to write that holy guide.
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121564
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Post by
donnymurph
You'll be far more comfortable with more mana (spirit) and faster heals (haste), than with larger heals and higher hpm (intellect/mastery).
Mana regen from spirit is determined by how much intellect you have. Intellect also increases your mana pool, increases your spell power at a rate of 1:1, and increases your crit.
Intellect is almost equal to spirit for regen. It is also almost equal to haste for throughput.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but your stat advice is, well, sub-optimal. Sure, if you need the extra reaction time, get maybe 2% extra haste, but keep in mind haste is detrimental to longevity, and at this early stage of the expansion, we don't have enough inherent regen to support high levels of haste.
Talking about gear choices is a cop-out. Through heroics, justice points, reputation, craftables and BoEs, you should be able to fill almost all item slots with either spirit/mastery or spirit/haste pieces of gear. Sure I understand that you may need to take an interim piece that isn't perfectly itemized - this is not the end of the world, but it is sub-optimal and giving people sub-optimal advice is just plain rude.
If you're new to Cataclysm healing, I suggest stacking, gemming, enchanting, and reforging for spirit and haste, not intellect and mastery.
Please point out where in my post I advocated stacking int/mastery. I quite clearly suggested going for every socket bonus by using int or int/hybrid gems (including int/spirit and int/haste). Socket bonuses is current best practice, and int/hybrid gemming mirrors SP/hybrid gemming which was best practice in Wrath and is still best practice now.
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121564
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Post by
donnymurph
The mana regen formula scales linearly with spirit and by the square root of intellect. I bought that intellect was superior in Wrath only because Replenishment was so strong and because of things like Mana Tide Totem that granted regen based on a percentage of your total mana pool. Replenishment has been nerfed and won't be available all the time anyway, so I'm just not buying that argument any more. If you have math to the contrary I'm perfectly willing to reevaluate.
You called me rude for
having the audacity to disagree with you
, and
you called the OP a noob for not magically having a full set of spirit gear the second he dinged 85
The bottom line is that
when you are new to the content
, you are better off having as much mana as possible (spirit)
and making your Heal as comfortable to use as possible (haste)
. When you find your rhythm, you can regear to get closer to the theoretical ideal.
It's like those people who go into a pro shop with an 18 handicap and want to buy the same golf clubs that Tiger Woods uses, when they'd be far better off with gear that is specifically intended for beginners and is designed to be forgiving of the kind of mistakes that beginners make.
Anyway let's not turn this into a flame fest and get this guy's thread locked, I'm done posting here.
Post by
karlusdavius
He is right tho.
Mana regen from spirit is determined by how much intellect you have. Intellect also increases your mana pool, increases your spell power at a rate of 1:1, and increases your crit.
Intellect is almost equal to spirit for regen. It is also almost equal to haste for throughput.
This is just totally wrong. like, amazingly so. Where did you get this information?
Regen has been been determined by how much intellect you have/had.
Post by
donnymurph
Regen Info
TL;DR:regen = 0.016725 *
sqrt(INT)
* SPI
To make matters more complex, spirit regen is usually not available while in combat. Healing specs have a passive ability called Meditation, which gives half of the spirit regen output as manaregen while in combat. For all practical intents and purposes, when talking about spirit regen, it's the "while in combat" spirit regen that is being discussed.
Still, spirit regen is a very important source of regen, and probably the largest one available for both specs of healing priests. But even a holypriest with the massively powerful Holy Concentration talent will not see spirit regen offer more than half of the total mana budget available in a fight.
It's bolded and underlined, just in case you missed it.
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Post by
Meggie
Spirit is hard to obtain, for a reason.The rates of stam : stat : spirit on items is about 2.5 : 1.3 : 1. Enchanting and potions make up for this. But as gear level will go up this effect will be ever less.
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donnymurph
That proves that intellect
is a factor
in regen ... which I don't think anyone disputed. It doesn't prove that it's better than spirit.
Karl's post appears to deny that intellect has ANYTHING to do with regen, which is what that post was in reply to. Maybe he simply didn't choose his words too well, but my inference after reading his post is that he was of the opinion that intellect had no effect whatsoever.
And what's with your horrible attitude?
I never once walked into this thread with a negative attitude. I came in here to try to give the OP advice. Ja&*!er disagreed with me. I argued my point. If I come across as rude or abrupt it's probably because I usually post on my lunch break at work, so don't always have a great deal of time to formulate a well worded post.
@ the OP:
ZOMG U DUN HAVE PERFECT ITEMIZD GEER!@! U NUB!
I wasn't trying to call him a nub, but well, if you read his post, he does appear to be on the wrong track. He is talking about reforging as his way of obtaining his desirable stats, which is okay as a temporary solution, but he really should be aiming towards better itemized gear rather than using reforging as a permanent solution. He is also talking about stacking stats, which isn't all that advisable early in an expansion - he should be balancing stats, as you said.
I will admit that both the Holy Concentration hotfix (which isn't showing on the tooltip yet), and the Replenishment nerf, both completely slipped my mind. I dun goofed there, not ashamed to admit it. These 2 changes do put spirit a long way ahead of intellect for regen, unlike my original statement which was that intellect was
almost
spirit's equal for regen.
Post by
awarewolf
Didn't Blizzard "simplify" stats so that your average shmoe can progress well at end game without having to look up every little theorycrafted point?
Seems worse today than it did last year. :-/
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