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My PvP Dilemma
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Post by
Prim4lfury
So I've been playing WoW since its release and have yet to figure out how PvP works. I know that sounds a little awkward after such a long time playing the game but recently I've found myself struggling with the same problems as everytime I try to seriously follow the PvP business. My problems concern the whole mentality around it. As for me and my personality, I'd call myself a decent WoW player that knows how to quickly adapt to situations, I've got everything key-bound and collected a lot of "pvp" experience, even in other games. So I basically SHOULD know how to be good at PvP. Thing is: I'm not good at PvP.
I'm currently playing an unholy DK with the usual spec and I've been using common PvP information pages to obtain the most recent and important information about DK PvPing. Though, I've not always played a DK but a rogue which was my first character in WoW and the one I've collected most experience with. The gear of my DK is a mix of the crafted and bloodthirsty PvP stuff. I "know" how to play both classes, but I've experienced the same s**t with both of them. I've experienced many stages of PvP with both of them, including arena, battlegrounds and even the very old-school server-based wsg/ab matches.
Now that Cataclysm is out I've been trying to follow PvP from the beginning to be on the same stage as others and... well it's just not working. I can't get my head into the whole concept for some reason - I've been eager to be good at PvP ever since I'm playing WoW but there must be something wrong and I can't figure it out. A basic example that makes me /afk out at this stage of WoW is when I'm getting totally destroyed by ranged classes. Well I just can't stand to be literally destroyed by ANY class that quick, I often put myself in the "wow my class sucks" corner and stop PvPing for the next days, haha. I know that mages, at the moment, are somewhat stronger than they should be (no drama about mage OPness please) but the same stuff applies to every other class im facing. Another bad thing is that I can't stand to lose. I just can't. I just can't see myself having a k/d of 2 to 6 or something. It makes me somewhat sick, haha.
Another thing that I'm wondering about is the effort someone has to put into PvP to be good. Do you actually have to go through a phase where you're as bad as a PvP bot farming honor to actually become a good player? Do you need appropriate professions and the equip to be good? Do ranged damage dealers have an advantage because they aren't as heavily influenced of equipment as melees are? (I'm not basing this on facts, its just my opinion) Or is my vision about PvP just totally blurred and I'm doing it wrong?
So what's the problem with me, is it some "psychological" thing I'm going through, is it me not being able to play my classes even though I've spent countless hours on figuring out what is wrong. What I also don't get is that some friends tell me that PvPing is so easy and easily reach and reached 2k+ ratings. I've even played PTRs in the past where everyone got the exact same equipment and yet I couldn't be really good either.
So, yeah... sounds a little whiny after all but I'd be grateful for any advice on how to handle these problems to finally see some sucess at PvP.
Post by
HoleofArt
Learn other classes.
Know when to Mindfreeze, Strangulate, Ghoul Stun.
Learn when you need to go defensive or heal (Ghoul Sac now? DS now? etc).
Know when to pop all your cooldowns for burst.
Know when to CoI or DG. Know what to trinket.
Know when to use AMS.
Learn how to kite with CoI.
Know which abilities should be used for sure against each class and when.
All of this can be learned from watching high rated DK PvP Videos, the DK forums right here on wowhead, possibly asking a high rated DK on your server a few things, etc.
You say you "should" be good at PvP, but you seem to be lacking the very basics of what it takes. No, it won't be easy at first, and you
are
going to lose along the way. Get used to it.
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Post by
Koviko
The reason that PvPers consider themselves above the PvEers in WoW is because PvP
is
more difficult than PvE. To be good at PvE, you go to TankSpot, watch a video on what the boss does when and where, and then react to those things in the boss fight. DBM will sound a horn when you should react, and most of the reactions are simply "move over there." When you try to apply this ease to PvP, you learn quickly that it won't work.
Being good at PvP requires knowing your opponent, predicting what your opponent will do, and knowing what to do against them. In this sense, it is just like PvE. But, the studying necessary for these things is a lot more than just watching a video. If you're like me, you've only ever played one or two classes, and your experience with the others is purely in PvP. I'm not saying that you have to play every class to know everything about them, you just have to read about the actions that affect you the most or that you need to counter.
You mention fighting mages. I'm a mage in arenas and I hate combos involving DKs, specifically because of AMS. I didn't even know what AMS was until I checked the combat log and then Googled it. When DKs don't use AMS, they are predictable. They pull me into melee range, I freeze them, blink away, and either sheep them or start DPSing. If they use AMS right before I cast though, I've already used up my Blink. My only option is to Ice Block, provided I haven't already. If I have, then you have effectively put my King into Check (chess reference) and hopefully another piece (my partner) can stop you. Also, mages shouldn't be too big of a problem because we are clothies... Use one of your minions to apply some steady DPS. It's almost like a really annoying DoT that stops with Frost Nova. lol
If you want advice for playing a DK in PvP, in general, then I suggest you go outside of Org / SW and watch the other DKs duel. Pay attention to what they are doing. If they are winning, see what they did to get the upper hand and then how they utilized it. If they lose, pay attention TO THE CLASS THAT THEY LOST TO and what they did to gain the upper hand on the DK. Then, figure out what you can do about it, either to prevent it or to react to it. This isn't the 55-59 bracket anymore. DKs are on an even playing field now and you have to try if you want to win.
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Azazel
I agree with volectricity, PvP is more difficult than PvE because of the simple reason that you can't really expect everything. In PvE, when a new patch just arrived with a new raid, sure the bosses have a lot of new mechanics. But you get used to them. You can get addons like DBM. In PvP you probably know the usual tactics of your opponet's class. But the randomness, all the things he/she can do (some better than others) will make you need to adapt. That's just my 2 cents.
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I agree with volectricity, PvP is more difficult than PvE because of the simple reason that you can't really expect everything. In PvE, when a new patch just arrived with a new raid, sure the bosses have a lot of new mechanics. But you get used to them. You can get addons like DBM. In PvP you probably know the usual tactics of your opponet's class. But the randomness, all the things he/she can do (some better than others) will make you need to adapt. That's just my 2 cents.Well, to me PvP (assuming 1v1) where you meet a player a few times (I.E. a battleground) is sort of like doing a raid boss a couple times. They have habits, bugs, tendencies and spells that are often used similarly to every other time you've fought that person/boss. But instead of 10/25 players figuring this out, it's down to just you.
If that makes any sense.
While of course, but the thing is you don't run quite as much into the same players as you do with the same raid bosses.
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And the same players, even if with some regularities, tendencies, are learning yours as well. They adapt.
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