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Agility weapons, a big no-no without exceptions?
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skumbananer
Before i got 2 heroic 1h blues with strength on,( now i use
Smite's Reaver
as tank weapon and my mainhand, and
Resonant Kris
as offhand) i had 2*
http://www.wowhead.com/item=56396
. Gave me loads of crit, looked cool, but no ap. I even tanked with one until i got a str wep of same ilvl.
But to me they where a upgrade over lower ilvl weapons, even with wrong stats (recount told me that). Sure i wouldnt steal them away from a rogue or shammy, but would have had no probs needing on them even if a dk wanted them. Groups had no problems with me needing on it (2h users and casters), but got a few whispers when standing in Orgr "Omg u should never use non-strength gear as warrior! This is not WOTLK!".
For 2h users there are a few really nice superior quality agility weapons that would be a upgrade over greens or the standard fresh dinged 85 Oblique Oblique ogre oblique obliterator (or whats it called), from a quick check on wowhead i get these:
Rockslicer
Seliza's Spear
Mobus's Vile Halberd
Ok or not ok?
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Shiverlynn
Armor wasn't the only reason to put Mongoose on a tank weapon; agility provides dodge as well.
Or provided, as I'm not sure it still does.
In Cataclysm however Mongoose is outclassed, there's a dodge enchant (Windwalk) and I tend to find even the self-healing enchant (Mending) better than Mongoose. 120 agility barely gives any dodge nowadays, whereas Mending procs quite often and heals for 800-1k health, not much but it all adds up and sure helps me live longer.
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Capnboomkin
Agility still provides dodge.
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Sakkura
14 AP is equal to 1 DPS on a weapon for basic autoattacks. For normalized instant attacks, AP tends to be somewhat worse than that compared to weapon DPS, but on the other hand AP contributes to abilities not based on weapon damage too (eg. Bloodthirst and Victory Rush). You'd either have to look at a parse of your distribution of DPS done by autoattacks, normalized attacks (factoring in weapon speeds) and AP-based attacks to work out how AP and weapon DPS would be weighted in your case, or simply consult a spreadsheet.
I don't see any problem in sometimes using an agility weapon if it has higher DPS. It just gives us more items to choose from, making a lack of strength weapons at any given moment less critical. It's frustrating to use old low-ilevel items just because there is no better option or the few upgrades available just don't want to drop.
Post by
greywolfsage
So would a gain of 46.8 weapon dps outweigh the loss of 115Str(230AP)? Napkin math says it's a 30.36 dps gain, but I'm not totally sold on it.
Last I saw, Str helped Shield-bearing tanks block. Not sure of the conversion, but its something to think about.
And I think Mongoose was a popular choice due to the availability, every enchanter having it, it was cheap mats (i think), and the proc chance was better. And in the case of Bladeward, iirc it gave extra parry chance, but required a strike to be parried anyway, so many tanks saw middling value to it.
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Sakkura
Last I saw, Str helped Shield-bearing tanks block. Not sure of the conversion, but its something to think about.
And I think Mongoose was a popular choice due to the availability, every enchanter having it, it was cheap mats (i think), and the proc chance was better. And in the case of Bladeward, iirc it gave extra parry chance, but required a strike to be parried anyway, so many tanks saw middling value to it.
Strength doesn't help with block, that ended with the removal of block value in patch 4.0.1. Instead you get 1 parry rating per 4 strength now.
Mongoose was definitely not popular because of the availability, since it was a rare raid drop from a bygone expansion (which also made the mats annoying/expensive to obtain). Blade ward doesn't require a parry to proc, it was a parry-boosting proc buff (stacking) from your own melee attacks. That buff just also had the quirk of being consumed if you did parry during it, doing damage to the enemy in the process. So it was a stacking avoidance proc with a damage proc tied on. It was RNG-heavy but overall comparable to mongoose.
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Sakkura
Mongoose was definitely not popular because of the availability, since it was a rare raid drop from a bygone expansion
It was a rare drop during BC, but was changed to 100% drop rate during WotLK.
Yeah but not until 3.2 or 3.1. Besides, not a lot of people were doing Karazhan. It was harder to find someone to do mongoose than most of the wrath weapon enchants.
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Sakkura
This guy is DPS not tank.
Then why does he talk about how he used a particular weapon as a tank weapon? It's obviously a case of a dual-spec guy who's done a bit of this and a bit of that.
As for the rest of your post... Well, agility does give crit, but it's a poor choice of stat compared to eg. crit rating, not to mention strength. If you can, you should absolutely go for strength items over agility ones. It's just that on weapons, the actual DPS of the weapon itself is also massively important, so an agility weapon with a slightly higher itemlevel can actually be preferable.
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