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Disc Priests - Any raid advice?
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Post by
animationhac
Hello everyone!
I'd like to say I am trying to conserve my mana the best I can and I am using the right spells. Issue is that I am being out healed by a lower geared paladin? Lul what? Not a qq but I am stuck. I want to rise my heals up without going oom (not going to lie I am competitive and it sometimes drives me oom!) so any priestly advice?
I spam the spell Heal as much as I can. When I find someone dive to 20% or lower I pick them up with the "Oh $%^& spell" Flash Heal (probably my problem but I dont want the tank to die!) I use that till their 30% or higher then I use my Greater Heals. I try healing everyone and sheilding with my Barrier and my PoH (which PoH only heals my group like Group one if I am in it or Group two). I am trying my best and I think it counts. I am almost at the tip with the paladin with my sheild absorb in my recount addon keeping track of it (spamming pw Sheild might be an issue but then again I use it when I think I need to without realsing it takes the damage like the Origami Rock which I am starting to believe can with hold more damage then my own sheild!) yet, I get over 800k in absorbs and am almost at the same level as that Paladin still showing off his greens as I am in my purples and blues... I find it somewhat embarrassing to be out healed by "that".
I never want to go Holy! I dare myself not to do that! So don't suggest this.
Anyone have any ideas how I can perhaps keep up with the paladins and other classes that heal? I don't want to be out healed by a green wearer. It makes me feel unworthie to call myself "raid ready" with my ilevel 350.
I am reforging for crit for the next patch that scales the bubbles with my heals. I have about 2.4k Spirit which i think maybe enough. I am at lost. If you wish to see my gear just Armory "Derisaia" I am from draenor and I should be the only Derisaia (last I check).
I really don't know if it cause of this Disc being broke or what not but I don't want to be sitting there quiet in vent feeling like a fail. I want to be able to compete with other healers without going OOM or going OMG! What now!
Lastly, I don't suck I hear that I am a great healer and what not but I just have this pride that I want to try to be up there with the big kids and try to give them the edge of fighting for top heals yet I can't even do that. I want to have better heals.
Help a priest out?
Post by
Pachuca
Here's a link to your armory:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/derisaia/advanced
Heal is nearly useless to Disc priests; TBH you get more HPS from Smiting if you're Atonement specced, and at 5 stacks of Evangelism it's almost identical HPM. Tank healing should be done with Penance and Greater Heal, with Atonement as support.
Prayer of Healing is not restricted to your group while in a raid. Let's say you're in Group 2; simply target someone who is in Group 1 and cast Prayer of Healing and it will hit everyone in that group (assuming they're within 30 yards of the target). Not really sure why you think that it's restricted only to the group that you're in, this hasn't been true for a looooong time.
DO NOT spam Power Word: Shield.
It's brutal on your mana. With Borrowed Time up, your GCD is probably around 1.2 seconds or so? So it would take 6 seconds to apply 5 shields to a group, each shield absorbing (currently) around 11k or so, so that's about 55k in absorbs over 6 seconds, and that's assuming that there's exactly enough damage to consume each shield and cause no extra damage to the players.
In 6 seconds, you could cast PW:S on the tank (or lowest health raid member), and 2 Prayers of Healing. Assuming PoH doesn't crit on anyone, that's about 6k worth of heals (even more if glyphed), plus an extra 1800 in absorbs per person. Hitting all 5 people in a group means you just healed for 30k and have another 9k in absorbs lined up. Using the model above, 2 Prayers of Healing nets you about 78k effective healing, plus even more if you're using Glyph of PoH, and another 11k from the PW:S you applied.
Even better, if you cast Power Infusion, PoH will cast even faster and cost much less mana. I think the cast time of PoH with Power Infusion up is about 1.8 seconds. That's 3.33 (repeating, of course) casts of PoH in 6 seconds, worth about 260k in healing/absorbs, not including the inevitable crits you'll get.
The choice is pretty obvious.
Regarding crit: personally, I would aim for only about 13% base crit from gear (on your character sheet, unbuffed), and reforge the rest into haste or mastery. I'm also running with about 2400 spirit and don't really have any mana troubles. You get a decent amount of crit due to Renewed Hope and liberal usage of Inner Focus, so don't worry about a lack of Divine Aegis.
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Post by
Pachuca
I think 13% crit is a little bit low, but it depends on your role in the raid.
Yeah I'm one of 6 healers in a 25-man setup, concentrating on the Main Tank but also throwing out PoH's during AoE phases, so I've got a few other good healers to back me up.
But even with 13% base crit unbuffed on my character sheet, I'm getting at least 20% crit on PoH with raid buffs, and about 40% crit with Greater Heal over the course of an evening due to my Inner Focus macro and Renewed Hope. 13% may sound low, but there's all kinds of crit-boosting talents that we have which make up for it. At this gear level, we don't have a lot of secondary stats to move around, so I'm happy with a relatively low amount of base crit and high amounts of haste and mastery, which are the backbone of PoH's healing.
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Post by
animationhac
Good advice Pachuca.
I think 13% crit is a little bit low, but it depends on your role in the raid. Remember that in the upcoming patch (due "soon"), DA procs from PoH will scale properly with Crit.
Other stuff about the OP's armory:
- Prayer of Healing needs a glyph. Remove any one of your other ones.
- You're smite-specced, so you need the Divine Accuracy glyph. Again, all three of your current ones can be disposed of.
- In its current state, Desperate Prayer is NOT worth losing 1% spell haste. After the patch, possibly (but I'm still not sold). But right now, not a chance.
- You're saved in PvP gear, so I can't really comment on gear-related stuffs.
So judging by the glyphs, you a) don't use Prayer of Healing (big mistake), and b) are specced for Smite but never use it (another big mistake).
If you don't want to use Smite at all, then feel free to drop it entirely in favor of Inner Sanctum and Strength of Soul or Focused Will. But I highly recommend giving it a shot at least, because while Smite itself is only strong on a few raid encounters (holla, Halfus Wyrmbreaker!), it makes for a good baseline spell during lulls in raid damage (topping off the tanks and melee more efficiently than Heal) and even better, it can give you a temporary +15% healing boost during the heavy portions.
I said I use Player of Healing and I do use smite! I'll respec the desperate prayer but other then Ive doon you said. I'll try using smite more then my heal xD! Thank you so much for not being an angry player and calling me fail. Sorry about gear and I have known to reglyph :o I just keep forgetting! WILL DO NOW though!
Post by
animationhac
Here's a link to your armory:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/draenor/derisaia/advanced
Heal is nearly useless to Disc priests; TBH you get more HPS from Smiting if you're Atonement specced, and at 5 stacks of Evangelism it's almost identical HPM. Tank healing should be done with Penance and Greater Heal, with Atonement as support.
Prayer of Healing is not restricted to your group while in a raid. Let's say you're in Group 2; simply target someone who is in Group 1 and cast Prayer of Healing and it will hit everyone in that group (assuming they're within 30 yards of the target). Not really sure why you think that it's restricted only to the group that you're in, this hasn't been true for a looooong time.
DO NOT spam Power Word: Shield.
It's brutal on your mana. With Borrowed Time up, your GCD is probably around 1.2 seconds or so? So it would take 6 seconds to apply 5 shields to a group, each shield absorbing (currently) around 11k or so, so that's about 55k in absorbs over 6 seconds, and that's assuming that there's exactly enough damage to consume each shield and cause no extra damage to the players.
In 6 seconds, you could cast PW:S on the tank (or lowest health raid member), and 2 Prayers of Healing. Assuming PoH doesn't crit on anyone, that's about 6k worth of heals (even more if glyphed), plus an extra 1800 in absorbs per person. Hitting all 5 people in a group means you just healed for 30k and have another 9k in absorbs lined up. Using the model above, 2 Prayers of Healing nets you about 78k effective healing, plus even more if you're using Glyph of PoH, and another 11k from the PW:S you applied.
Even better, if you cast Power Infusion, PoH will cast even faster and cost much less mana. I think the cast time of PoH with Power Infusion up is about 1.8 seconds. That's 3.33 (repeating, of course) casts of PoH in 6 seconds, worth about 260k in healing/absorbs, not including the inevitable crits you'll get.
The choice is pretty obvious.
Regarding crit: personally, I would aim for only about 13% base crit from gear (on your character sheet, unbuffed), and reforge the rest into haste or mastery. I'm also running with about 2400 spirit and don't really have any mana troubles. You get a decent amount of crit due to Renewed Hope and liberal usage of Inner Focus, so don't worry about a lack of Divine Aegis.
:( I try not spamming pw sheild! xD I just get that OH NO MUST BE TOP! However, I'll punch myself everytime i drift over the PW Shield! As you see I never used PoH much before cata. :/ Ill use it how your saying it now! Thank you so much!
Post by
DerrHans
Paladins in 10mans are rulers..
Dont try to compete, but work together is my advice ;)
Healing is not about meters.
PoH is a powerfull spell for disc, on magmaw its my #1 spell as tank healer even excluding its DA procs and Glyph heals.
While on omnitron defence system its my #2 spell if u include DA/Glyph heals and not all DA procs are from PoH as my #1 heal is Gheal on this fight even without DA. PoH comes close to the 1.35mil value (including DA/Glyph).
Just try and learn to love PoH, time it well as u dont want to overheal to much with it. U will get the hang of it, dont spam PW:S but dont neglect it either it save lives even if its only 11k absorb. Its still is a nice spell for a fast emergency heal like PW:S 11k absorb + a Flash/Binding heal if needed. This is enough to keep one alive so the raid healers can take it over.
As of stats, i feel comfy with unbuffed ~15.8% crit, ~3.8% haste, ~2.3k combat regen and 12.27 Mastery while having 104k mana unbuffed.
Yet i have still alot of stuff to improve gear wise.
p.s. if u still want to look at the meters, make sure u can see the amount absorbs as well. But even than paladins will out heal u.
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