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Necrodaemon
I was wondering with the change to the Virulence talent in the Unholy tree would it be worth dropping the 3 points in Epidemic for the 30% disease damage Virulence now offers.
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is the spec I'm currently using.I'd do the math myself but I'm not good with numbers. Any help would be much appreciated.
Post by
DroRaz
I wouldn't.
Diseases aren't a big portion of frosts' damage anyway, so improving it is near useless.
Epidemic is worth taking because that way you need to PS less, while still keeping BP up for the bonus damage on Ob.
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Orranis
Drop the points in On a Pale Horse for Endless Winter, the mount speed is nice but a rather selfish choice when you can get a resource-less cooldown combined with Unholy presence for maximum interrupting utility, and seeing as it's a DK's only real utility I would definitely advise it.
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Post by
dervasavred
Math over on EJ is suggesting that the debate is between Epidemic and IBT, not Virulence and IBT. Virulence, as I see it, is now mandatory: it's a passive increase to DPS that works all the time without you having to do anything special. It's always there, can be relied upon and will not interfere with your playstyle whatsoever. It may not be the most amazing DPS per point, but it's likely stronger DPS-wise than the other non-essential talent options you have. Further, the talent stacks with your Mastery, so it has that running for it.
As far as Epidemic is concerned, this is the talent I would consider skipping to grab Imp. Blood Tap. You'll have Frost Fever refreshed constantly WELL before the 30-second mark due to HB/Rime and Blood Plague should be monitored using Outbreak, Runic Empowerment procs or straight-up reapplication through PS+HB. Rime + HB make half of Epidemic useless by themselves.
The problem is you're pretty tightly GCD-constrained as DW Frost and you may not get to use IBT every 30-second interval. Every second you waste not hitting IBT is more DPS lost from that talent in favor of Epidemic, so it may be a little RNG-dependent. I would probably lean more towards Epidemic at this point, but that's a matter of personal taste.
For 2H Frost, I imagine the arguments are similar, but I believe 2H is slightly less screwed on free GCDs.
TL;DR: get Virulence, debate about Epidemic instead.
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dervasavred
I'm pretty sure that your whole argument about virulence being worth it only applies to Unholy, where your diseases do a good chunk of damage due to mastery and other unholy talents. For Frost I still think going sub-blood is better, even if IBT is meh, bladed armor is without a doubt 100x better than virulence.
Someone cannot count how many talent points we have at 85. You'll have BA.
If you truly disagree, I would suggest simming it. I don't play Frost regularly enough to be 100% certain on it (I only use it for Chilblains on certain fights), but I know when a spec is GCD-capped and cannot make full use of IBT.
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