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Post by
Porcell
Battle Shout / Commanding Shout before pull.
Charge.
Rend, Thunderclap. Cleave
Step back, Shockwave.
Shield Slam Skull. Cleave.
Switch target, revenge.
Thunderclap. Cleave
Do not Demo Shout. Do not Heroic Strike on trash.
Post by
HatchetChild
Don't forget to use The 'new' inner rage on every pull. Helps a crap ton with threat if you have the Rage to spare it.
I've pretty much been really lazy and Macro'd it into Shield block as they are both on the same CD and i found myself using it right after Shield block anyway for the rage gain in order to spam cleave or HS.
Post by
marklartank
If talking to them fails, and leaving the group being the last resort. What can I do (as far as gameplay goes) to keep aggro on me. It may be my rotation so i'll let you all know my rotation for mobs:
0. charge
1. rend, thunderclap
2. shield block,
demo shout
3. revenge (if up),
heroic strike
cleave
4. thunderclap
5. shockwave
6. tab through targets and apply
revenge/ cleave/
shield slam/ devastate
if need be
-repeat-
note: I use challenging shout, taunt,
demo shout
whenever i see it fit also.
made a couple edits that might help. you can also exchange steps #1 & #4 if you need quicker initial aggro, but in normal pulls you'll have time for the rend up front.
you can also move shockwave down the list quite a bit - i'll sometimes hold off for half a pull to ensure that i have enough rage built up. an early shockwave can easily rage-starve you, especially in a raid spec.
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Post by
Porcell
You'll notice Porcell states "shield slam skull".
I run heroics as dps here and there to see how other tanks do things. I rarely see them mark a target with skull. You should always mark the one dps should attack with a skull. I assure you that most of them do not know how to use the assist function, but they do know to attack skull...generally speaking that is.
People also are suggesting not to use demo shout because it reduces your damage taken which reduces your vengeance and damage done.
I use "skull" as a ubiquitous term for first target or primary target. You may or may not actually mark it with a skull (but it doesn't hurt), and you have to start somewhere.
And we suggest not using Demo Shout because it is a waste of rage, waste of a GCD, and does a minimal amount of threat. In the opening second your goal is to establish threat. If you want to demo shout in order to reduce damage you should go ahead and do it around step 8 or so.
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786742
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Post by
Porcell
how close should my dodge and parry be? I thought it was 2-3%
For the third time in as many days, Parry should be ~1.2% higher than Dodge in order to minimize the effect of diminishing returns on Avoidance.
Post by
marklartank
1. Just looked at your gear. None of your stuff is enchanted.
2. You have a pure strength gem in your helm and shoulders. You could make that Parry/Stam gem.
3. You reforged all dodge out of your gear so you have 9.73 Dodge and 12.71 Parry. You want to keep those much closer.
4. Also you used pure dodge gems. In yellow slots I like to use mastery/stam gems.
5. Right eye of Rajh is a dps trinket, the Tol Barad tanking trink is amazing.
6. You have dps gloves, the JP gloves are pretty solid.
7. Get that enchanting up so you can enchant your rings.
(edit: grammar and added numbering)
i disagree somewhat with these gemming recommendations.
yellow = mastery
red = parry/mastery
blue = stam/mastery
prismatic = mastery
mastery is amazing, ESPECIALLY in 5-mans.
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786742
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Post by
marklartank
But I see the heals suffering due to lack of demo shout. Could just be bad heals though. It was a pug group.
that's why you save shockwave - it does a LOT more for your healers than demo shout will.
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Post by
HatchetChild
That's true. But I often find myself shockwaving to keep aggro on me. Should that be done?
If your doing this make sure to only do it once you've stacked Thunderstruck x3. Thus giving you more aggro and giving your healer 4 seconds breathing room. Waiting for the 3 stacks also loweres the DR on your stuns if timing is correctly done. Though groups shouldn't be alive long enough for your stuns to suffer full DR.
This bit of advice however should be common sense if your spec'd Thunderstruck.
Post by
omikapsi
I'm in a similar situation as the OP, and thought I'd share my experiences.
I've been tanking since vanilla, and trust me, group dynamics make a HUGE difference. I've almost never had a bad run with guildies and friends, and I've had numerous awful runs with PuGs.
The short, it's random. If people are *!@#$ing, try to be diplomatic, then ignore them. If you get booted or they leave, your re-queue wait is minimal.
It's amusing that being a tank means not only taking flack from the boss, but often taking flack from your own team. Your skin needs to be nice and thick either way.
As an example, this evening I got queued into Stonecore (Heroic). I told them right off that I was still new to heroics, and working my way up. We had little to no CC, and the pulls were rather hectic. All the while I was harassed for my gear, some of which is dps gear that's been reforged. Then they started in on my gemming.
We hit the first boss and wiped, tried again and wiped, and then everyone left.
I'm thinking, 'Huh, maybe I shouldn't be queueing for heroics.' But then I remembered that I've already run several heroics, re-queued, got a good team in Halls of Origination, and we burned it to the ground without wiping on a single boss (including a bad pull when healer wasn't at full mana).
So yeah, good players will understand and help, bad players will whine and fight you. When the latter happens, it's not your problem.
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