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606231
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Post by
HoleofArt
Thanks for the backup lonewarrior, but honestly, the horse died when Adams made his post, and the rest of the Kool-Aid drinkers followed him like the scumbad sheep they are.
Sadly, a few pages ago, I thought that, for the most part, either the point that sniping = bad was getting lost, or that the scums were just trying to "out logic" the fact they are scum by posting definitions and The All-Mighty Blue's stance on it, but alas, i have to think now that many of them, in fact, actually are so morally inept that they can't and won't ever see that it is wrong to do this.
Character is not something that can be learned. Either you have it, or you don't. And with only a few exceptions, the majority of the posters in this thread....don't.
You're not too bright, are you? The amount of venom in your post is pretty pitiful, not to mention your idiotic stance on the subject. Truth be told, it sound like you're mad because someone bought one of your auctions on the N AH. Get over it.
If it's on the auction house, it's fair game for anyone else with access to the auction house and the money to afford it. Morals and ethics have nothing to do with it. It is a game, afterall. Posting something for 1 copper is a gamble. People should be prepared for the chance that they're going to lose that item.
Post by
Monday
Mods, why are you letting this go? I've reported it several times, and that last post directly attacking several users because s/he couldn't prove them wrong shows that not only has this argument run it's course, but it seems that some users have as well.
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91278
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780767
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Post by
Adamsm
Eh, working as intended.
Also, lol at Magician's attempt to ignite a flame war.
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90790
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Post by
HoleofArt
The amount of venom in your post is pretty pitiful,
Less like venom, more like water.
Meager attempt at venom, then? :o
I know he was at least trying.
Post by
lonewarrior
this is what sniping is.
No, it is
one example
of what sniping
could be
, written with deliberate emotional hooks which try to detract from a "yes".
Exactly as intended...if you have no emotional attachment to your decision, robbing becomes easy.
Would, you have preferred that I had made the two people quitting the game to ease your conscious.
Sniping is exactly as I portrayed it, whether you know the intended target or not.
If you don't have the courage to at least admit that, then your a coward too.
Funny that no one answered the question? It was simple enough. Mine and Magician would be no.
I'm asking the people countering our position to back up their convictions by saying "yes".
I'm not trying to trap anyone. If you sincerely feel totally fine saying "yes" then do so.
So many of you have been blasting Magician and myself, well stand up and be counted...you obviously have popular opinion on your side. It's a simple push of the button. Push it and be rewarded. it's bound to make you feel ecstatic, why wouldn't you be, after claiming an expensive piece for beans.
Post by
Nipah
This thread is now about how awesome
Ghost Wolf dancing is
.
Discuss.
Post by
606231
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Post by
Magician22773
Many of you are wrong on several accounts.
First, If i remember correctly, I have made exactly 3 transactions using the N-AH...all 3 were legit. I bought 1 page of the Green Hills papers....and then sold 2 extra I had. That was probably 3 years ago.
As for "venom"...compared to about 90% of the posts on this forum, calling someone a "scumbad" for essentially having no morals "because its just a game" is pretty mild.
Im also pretty sure the one's who seem to think I have not "proven" them wrong, are also the same ones that have dodged the whole point of what this post became, and that is an issue of character, values, and morality. All of which, by definition and historical quote, have been "proven" that none of you have any of.
Of all the responses I give a little credit to whoever at least related it in a RP way, stating that the N-AH was a shady business conducted by Goblins, therefore, at least for RP purposes, the "scums" would be a fitting addition to the storyline.
To those that have held to the position of "working as intended", you are the ones that I believe are laking in morality. You are the ones that believe that just because it is not actionable by Blizzard makes it OK. You are the ones that believe that speeding is only wrong if there is a cop on the stretch of road.
"Doing the right thing, when no one is there to see it" made Henry Ford a very rich man.
For everyone else....."Karma is a &*!@#:............
Post by
HoleofArt
Im also pretty sure the one's who seem to think I have not "proven" them wrong, are also the same ones that have dodged the whole point of what this post became, and that is an issue of character, values, and morality. All of which, by definition and historical quote, have been "proven" that none of you have any of.
To those that have held to the position of "working as intended", you are the ones that I believe are laking in morality. You are the ones that believe that just because it is not actionable by Blizzard makes it OK. You are the ones that believe that speeding is only wrong if there is a cop on the stretch of road.
You're just flat wrong on so many accounts.
"Doing the right thing, when no one is there to see it" made Henry Ford a very rich man.
Somehow I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with him becoming a rich man. Him being a great actor was probably it.
I'm pulling a blank - what's it called when using evidence to support your argument that doesn't actually support it in any way? Besides stupidity.
Post by
Bawkxy
As it has been stated numerous times in the past 4 pages, your argument is invalid, its a game, get over it.
Many of you are wrong on several accounts.
First, If i remember correctly, I have made exactly 3 transactions using the N-AH...all 3 were legit. I bought 1 page of the Green Hills papers....and then sold 2 extra I had. That was probably 3 years ago.
Denying that you've been sniped on the NAH doesn't do anything either.
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168916
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91278
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Post by
Adamsm
To those that have held to the position of "working as intended", you are the ones that I believe are laking in morality. You are the ones that believe that just because it is not actionable by Blizzard makes it OK. You are the ones that believe that speeding is only wrong if there is a cop on the stretch of road. Lol.
Post by
Magician22773
Nonsense. It's "working as intended"
The fact that there's also a risky way to do it for free is an unfortunate side effect that certain people who
lack morals and character
try to exploit by doing 1c transfers.
Huh? You just disagreed and agreed with me in the same paragraph.
You're just flat wrong on so many accounts.
I'm pulling a blank - what's it called when using evidence to support your argument that doesn't actually support it in any way? Besides stupidity.
Now I'm pulling a blank. Whats it called whe you provide no evidence at all to support your case other than saying "Nope, you are wrong"?
Morals adjective: founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities
The impass between us is that I am debating whether or not sniping an auction is a violation of morality, and I have shown, through definition and historical reference that it is, in fact, just that.
The only arguments that have been presented have been based on whether or not sniping is against the "rules" as set forth by Blizzard. A fact that I was wrong about (in 1 post out of....a dozen or so). Yes, I admit and fully agree that you can snipe all you want, as long as you do without a bot, and Blizzard will not get involved. I agree fully that the placement of any item in any AH is, under the RULES, accepting and acknowleging that that item is for sale to the first person that buys it. I agree fully that there are other ways to transfer items between factions that are completly safe, at a cost. I agree with all of it...
But that has not been the issue in this topic since about the 4th post on the first page. The issue has been, is taking advantage of that persons ignorance the thing to do from a moral standpoint. And again, I say the only person that has made a legitimate counter argument to this point was jumbodog with his RP perspective. The rest of you have done nothing to "prove" your point because you CAN'T.
Morals and ethic's exist whether or not this is "just a game".
Somehow I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with him becoming a rich man.
Him being a great actor was probably it.
HUH? Last I checked, Henry Ford made cars, not movies.
Post by
HoleofArt
Somehow I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with him becoming a rich man.
Him being a great actor was probably it.
HUH? Last I checked, Henry Ford made cars, not movies.
I read that as Harrison Ford, sorry. It was late.
Regardless, you quoting random famous people about morals has absolutely nothing to do with this debate. You really aren't helping yourself at all.
Also: Protip: There is no such thing as human altruism.
Post by
lonewarrior
Hence what's "working as intended" is that you have a safe way to transfer items at
a moderate cost
. The fact that there's also a risky way to do it for free is an unfortunate side effect that certain people who lack morals and character try to exploit by doing 1c transfers. You get those people to stop trying to game the AH rules, and pay the cost Blizzard implemented, and the problem of sniping will miraculously disappear.
In essence this is saying " if you don't tempt them ...they won't rob you" :) I'm with you.
I for one can't even see the reason why the N-AH even survived into Cata.
It's one of those archaic ideas poorly implemented. Perhaps way back when populations were much smaller this was Blizz way of exposing items to a larger audience. I don't know. But it is a total failure.
Not that I'm against the idea of a universal AH. I think it's a good way to even out servers with poorly balanced populations. Unless you actually can farm your mats...it's almost impossible level crafting profession with any sort of expediency on some of these imbalanced/low pop severs. I wouldn't have even minded had they added a N-AH auctioneer inside all the major city AH. But they didn't even do that. They put them in 3 distance locations. In this day and age of the game where nobody practically has to move anymore from the hub cities once they hit 85 what's the point. The only logistical use for it is to transfer items, but few players can afford to spend thousands on one side crafting an item and then spend thousands more to bring it over safely.
I for one would argue for a transfer NPC with a flat fee in lieu of using the N-AH. Pay the fee and see your item in your mail box on the other side(fedex).
To Sinespe: I didn't want to quote your whole post...too long, but I have to admit that is best dance routine through a mine field I have ever seen. If you can sell that lesson course of yours...I want you on my sales team :)
To Magician: You hit harder then I do, glad your on my side. Hold your ground, but keep your cool too, this is a forum after all. You and I feel comfortable in our choices, try to leave it at that. See you in another thread. :)
This thread is now about how awesome
Ghost Wolf dancing is
.
Discuss.
Yeah I get the point. Even though yours could use a few dance lessons =P
Peace
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