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Post by
cersoze
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/keldoriah/simple
Well, I edited this post in the intention of not creating another post about my Paladin.
Now that I made my improvements, I can easily handle heroic dungeons, and now I'm thinking about raiding. I have an idea where to start, at Baradin Hold, and then find my way tanking other cata raids. I don't intend to do older stuff (maybe for achievements, which are not my first concern), just the new ones.
I would like an explanation: mainly, what is the difference between 10man and 25man? Mainly is the difficulty, but the drops changes? Here at Wowhead I can see the drop differences?
Thanks for your answers, you guys are really helping me with my Paladin!
Post by
atomicwolf22
Ok there are a few things that I see.
1) Gylphs: Primal = don't use Gylph of Judgement your not Ret you Prot. get Gylph of HoTR instead.
2) Gems your using a Regal gem in your legs. Also your gemming for bonuses in a few thing your shouldn't be. Your Alc Trinket for one as the +10 crit isn't something to go for. Your BS Socket Bonus on Hands should be solid Mastery not a Hybrid.
3) Reforging, Reforge Hit or Exp into Mastery if not on the gear. Your have a few peices of gear that have Dodge or Parry on them but have no Mastery reforged on them.
4) Enchants, You don't have Chest,Bracer,Gloves,Legs,Feet, and Weapon Enchanted. Thats up to you, but I always try to enchant my gear. Even if its just the Lw Armor Kits. And I would use a Weapon Chain for the weapon.
Post by
cersoze
Ok there are a few things that I see.
1) Gylphs: Primal = don't use Gylph of Judgement your not Ret you Prot. get Gylph of HoTR instead.
2) Gems your using a Regal gem in your legs. Also your gemming for bonuses in a few thing your shouldn't be. Your Alc Trinket for one as the +10 crit isn't something to go for. Your BS Socket Bonus on Hands should be solid Mastery not a Hybrid.
3) Reforging, Reforge Hit or Exp into Mastery if not on the gear. Your have a few peices of gear that have Dodge or Parry on them but have no Mastery reforged on them.
4) Enchants, You don't have Chest,Bracer,Gloves,Legs,Feet, and Weapon Enchanted. Thats up to you, but I always try to enchant my gear. Even if its just the Lw Armor Kits. And I would use a Weapon Chain for the weapon.
1) The glyph was a mistake and it is already fixed, thanks :D
2) What is the problem with the Regal Gem? At my Alc Tkt i wasn't even looking at the gem bonus, i just wante to add STA and Mastery. In my BS sockets i should always go to +40 mastery gem? this includes the gem bonus that I don't need?
3) I am barely with 3% Hit and 20 Exp (with Seal bonus) and i dont have these 2 stats to reforge on my gear. Also should I reforge every piece of gear for mastery? In this case, this wouldn't drop too much my Avoidance?
4) I am looking for gold to put some good enchants on my gear, so this will take a little time.
Thanks for the answers :D
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Post by
hatman555
2) What is the problem with the Regal Gem? At my Alc Tkt i wasn't even looking at the gem bonus, i just wante to add STA and Mastery. In my BS sockets i should always go to +40 mastery gem? this includes the gem bonus that I don't need?
You should always be getting socket bonuses. Stats are stats, the more the merrier. While Mastery is indeed a wonderful stat, there is something to be said about stamina. While in a heroic, a tank with pure avoidance and mitigation will take less damage, having a nice level of HP gives healers bigger buffers when dealing with heals. This helps when it comes to raiding, or when you have inexperienced healers. Given that, MY gemming stratigy, is to go 50/50 on all my gem slots.
Puissant Dream Emerald
on any blue, yellows, or colorless, and
Defender's Demonseye
in any red.
3) I am barely with 3% Hit and 20 Exp (with Seal bonus) and i dont have these 2 stats to reforge on my gear. Also should I reforge every piece of gear for mastery? In this case, this wouldn't drop too much my Avoidance?
Hit is nice to have, it helps us interrupt with Avengers Shield in heroics, and its good for that little bit of threat at the start of fights that you will need. Do you need 8%? hell no. But its good to have a bit. I stay around 3%-3.5% (again this is a personal choice, you can go lower, or higher). Expertise on the other hand is useless now, almost no bosses in the game now have parry swing timers enabled, and your glyph for 10 expertise will give you enough to hold threat. If you have an item with expertise, reforge as much as you can off into mastery or avoidance.
Everyone else is giving good advice, i just wanted to add my 2 cents for gemming and reforging.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
cersoze
2) What is the problem with the Regal Gem? At my Alc Tkt i wasn't even looking at the gem bonus, i just wante to add STA and Mastery. In my BS sockets i should always go to +40 mastery gem? this includes the gem bonus that I don't need?
You should always be getting socket bonuses. Stats are stats, the more the merrier. While Mastery is indeed a wonderful stat, there is something to be said about stamina. While in a heroic, a tank with pure avoidance and mitigation will take less damage, having a nice level of HP gives healers bigger buffers when dealing with heals. This helps when it comes to raiding, or when you have inexperienced healers. Given that, MY gemming stratigy, is to go 50/50 on all my gem slots.
Puissant Dream Emerald
on any blue, yellows, or colorless, and
Defender's Demonseye
in any red.
3) I am barely with 3% Hit and 20 Exp (with Seal bonus) and i dont have these 2 stats to reforge on my gear. Also should I reforge every piece of gear for mastery? In this case, this wouldn't drop too much my Avoidance?
Hit is nice to have, it helps us interrupt with Avengers Shield in heroics, and its good for that little bit of threat at the start of fights that you will need. Do you need 8%? hell no. But its good to have a bit. I stay around 3%-3.5% (again this is a personal choice, you can go lower, or higher). Expertise on the other hand is useless now, almost no bosses in the game now have parry swing timers enabled, and your glyph for 10 expertise will give you enough to hold threat. If you have an item with expertise, reforge as much as you can off into mastery or avoidance.
Everyone else is giving good advice, i just wanted to add my 2 cents for gemming and reforging.
Cheers,
Hat
Thanks for the reply :D
I made some improvements on my tankadin, handled some heroics and improved my gear. All the advices in this topic plus reading other tankadin topics had clarified my mind. Thanks!
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Post by
cersoze
Iv been doing Maloriak 10 heroic as a prot pala on add tanking, and the only hard part is the first few seconds of threat (OFC you should always have a tricks/MC) on you at the start of any fight) and I have less then 1% hit and 10exp cause of the glyph. So threat Shouldn't be a problem, thats where Stamina comes into it as well,
You want to balance your Stamina and Mastery
Just wanted to add a note, for Add handling or just doing random heroics I would put 1 point in guarded by the light, So if you would use WoG on yourself you wouldn't lose the 10% blocked dmg buff, and remove Imp HoJ and 1 point in Reckning and give one of those points to the guarded by the light talant then the other one to Rule of law, think it was stated on Maintankadin that Rule of law gives from threat then Reckoning "overall, ie Single/aoe"
This is my non nonsensical post :P as all my posts are :P
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/bronze-dragonflight/pif/advanced
Thanks for your post Kaylaan, it was very useful and I am considering some changes in my spec, mostly the Rule of Law points, or the WoG buff, or both.
About the gear, I'm mainly focused now on getting the epic tanking plate fom Ramkahen, but I don't know if this will be a great improvement in my tanking stats, because mainly i will lose a Yellow Socket and Socket Bonus from Alpha Bracers (N) and I dont know if i can recover this mastery value with reforging and pure mastery gem.
Well, these days I had some gear improvement, if you guys could see and rate, I would really thank you!
Here's the link to the armory, again:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/ysera/keldoriah/simple
Thanks mates!
Post by
atomicwolf22
Drop both points in IHoJ. There not used for pve. I would put atleast on of them into GbtL if not both.
Enchant Weapon,Chest,Bracers, and Legs. They don't have to be top end enchants as long as something is there.
Superior Dodge
,
Stamina
,
Mending
,
Twilight Leg Armor
Those are the enchants. Enchanters are going to try to get you on the GCE. Go to the ah and price check the Car. Spikes there a fist weapon that JC's make. They yeild alot of GCE I get 2-3 Of the Greater Essences about 75% of the time.
On my server we have been trading alot lately for services. Mats for the 316 weapons that Bs can craft aren't they high offer ether the Caster Dagger or Caster Mace for trade for the enchants. Or talk to some guildes.
Post by
cersoze
Drop both points in IHoJ. There not used for pve. I would put atleast on of them into GbtL if not both.
Enchant Weapon,Chest,Bracers, and Legs. They don't have to be top end enchants as long as something is there.
Superior Dodge
,
Stamina
,
Mending
,
Twilight Leg Armor
Those are the enchants. Enchanters are going to try to get you on the GCE. Go to the ah and price check the Car. Spikes there a fist weapon that JC's make. They yeild alot of GCE I get 2-3 Of the Greater Essences about 75% of the time.
On my server we have been trading alot lately for services. Mats for the 316 weapons that Bs can craft aren't they high offer ether the Caster Dagger or Caster Mace for trade for the enchants. Or talk to some guildes.
Thanks for the enchant links atomicwolf22, hopely I will get them in this weekend. I didn't get them earlier cause i just have time do to the Tol Barad dailies and random dungeon finder dailies, and I barely have gold (LOL).
I think I'll make an alt for LW and Enchanting...will consume more time, of course, but I can profit from that and the money I would spend buying enchants I would use leveling the professions...I don't know yet, it's an option.
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581897
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Post by
cersoze
Do your 12 TB Dailies, plus a random dungeon, and a couple other dailies, and you have over 300 or 400 gold incoming a day.
Just sayin'
Edit: Additionally save any greens / boe Blues you get and have then dusted / sharded by a friendly enchanter, that will save you quite a bit of cash on enchanting.
Option 2 is to get a pyrium weapon chain as a cheap-o enchant on your weapon. (It's threat mostly, but the disarm reduction is REALLY nice.)
Yes, that's what I do. Mainly 12 TB dailies + normal random + heroic random + Deepholm dailies and disenchanting everything at the instances (if I gain the roll, of course).
Money is really a matter of time, and i'm not THAT concerned about it...just for the moment, lol.
I was thinking about the Pyrium Weapon Chain as a enchant because I really don't like being disarmed, maybe I get another tanking weapon and put this to tank specific disarming mobs.
This weekend i will mainly do heroics for the Justice Points, to get the heirlooms for a Skinner/LW Hunter that i'm creating, so gold will come along the way.
Post by
atomicwolf22
Sorry about not listing the weapon chain but yes its a good thing to have on your weapon. And there very cheap for the most part. 40g or so on my server vs. 700g for mending or 4k on the other enchant.
Post by
cersoze
Sorry about not listing the weapon chain but yes its a good thing to have on your weapon. And there very cheap for the most part. 40g or so on my server vs. 700g for mending or 4k on the other enchant.
No "problemo" atomicwolf22, already got the enchants and right now almost Exalted with Ramkahen to get the epic wrist.
I am really enjoying playing as tankadin and after each day passed, improving more and more my skills. This is a very nice class!
Post by
cersoze
Updated topic with some more info. Talking about raids now :)
Post by
TheRealAzoth
The primary difference between 10 and 25 man raids is the amount of HP the boss and adds have as well as the amount of tank / raid damage that goes out. I actually think 25 mans are a little easier than 10 mans. 1 or 2 people dieing in a 25 man isn't going to wipe the raid, but on some fights even losing 1 person in a 10 man can be the cause of a wipe.
Gear looks good. I've tanked the first 3 in BWL and Halfus in BoT with almost the exact same gear and haven't had an issue. Hardest part was tanking the 9 adds on Maloriak, but a few well placed hunter slows and smart kiting helped a lot.
Only recommendation I can give is to reforge the parry on
Throngus's Finger
to mastery. You'll lose less than 1% parry but pick up just over 1% block.
Watch the videos and brush up on the fights and your good to go.
EDIT: 25 mans drop 6 items and 90 Valor Points compared to 2 items 70 Valor Points in 10 mans. All items are from the same loot table and all have the same iLevel.
Post by
cersoze
The primary difference between 10 and 25 man raids is the amount of HP the boss and adds have as well as the amount of tank / raid damage that goes out. I actually think 25 mans are a little easier than 10 mans. 1 or 2 people dieing in a 25 man isn't going to wipe the raid, but on some fights even losing 1 person in a 10 man can be the cause of a wipe.
Gear looks good. I've tanked the first 3 in BWL and Halfus in BoT with almost the exact same gear and haven't had an issue. Hardest part was tanking the 9 adds on Maloriak, but a few well placed hunter slows and smart kiting helped a lot.
Only recommendation I can give is to reforge the parry on
Throngus's Finger
to mastery. You'll lose less than 1% parry but pick up just over 1% block.
Watch the videos and brush up on the fights and your good to go.
EDIT: 25 mans drop 6 items and 90 Valor Points compared to 2 items 70 Valor Points in 10 mans. All items are from the same loot table and all have the same iLevel.
Nice post Azoth, thanks for the explanation :)
Today I'll try to find some raid groups and finally take this fear of raids out of me :D My guild is kinda broken, so I'll have to find those groups by myself :(
About the trinket, my idea is to get a heroic version of it, or another useful pre-raid trinket.
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