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Post by
Loveandlust
Hey, I was just wondering what is the best proffessions to make gold? I was playing with my brothers engineer/miner on wildhammer and for 2 hours mining i managed to make over 5000 gold. Im on a break from my own account because of exams and such but I intend on returning to the gam with my lvl 85 dk, but i dont have any proffs with him. Any tips on what proffesions i should use for gold?
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138532
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Post by
atomicwolf22
There is no real answer there is to many variables to take into account. The biggest is Server Ecomony.
If your own the same server then Mining looks to be a good way to go. With having no professions I would go Mining/Herbalism. Its really hard to beat the raw money gathering professions can make.
Post by
thebearspy
I use Mining/ Engineering, with mining you can make tons of money, but with engineering you can't make that much. Maybe if you find any hunter who need some guns/bows, but it's kind of rare to find. If you wanna make even more gold you should go with Mining/Jewelcrafting. Everyone needs gems for their new gears. So Jewelcrafting is the number 1 goldmaking prof, or that's what i think with my own experiances.
Post by
Loveandlust
Cheers, Its my brothers Character and hes obsessed with his it lvl 359 tanking helm. But good idea with the jewelcrafting. All i was doing was selling personal world destroyers
Post by
Vilecurses
Without question the best profession to make gold is inscriptions. You can spend hours mining if you like and you will make gold guaranted but from someone that has made almost 1000k profit since Cata release I think I know what I am talking about.
Just to clarify your 5000g in 2 hours what exactly did you mine in that time? On my server Pyrite ore sells for around 160g per stack and Elementium for around 40g/stack so that would be around 31 stacks of Pyrite or 125 stacks of Elementium (or a combo) in 2 hours... pretty impressive mining.
I will give you a breakdown on what I do:
Make
Darkmoon Faire Cards/decks
. It's that simple. Nothing else. Don't waste time making glyphs etc.
I buy all my herbs to mill which you need to make the cards off the AH as it's a total waste of my time farming when I can make so much whilst letting others farm. I always buy low where possible and am very familar with the prices on my server.
I will repost for you my earlier workings out which I posted at an earlier date on Wowhead. This will give you a breakdown on the maths. You can then work out what a deck is going to cost to make based on your servers current prices as well as what the cards are currently selling for. You will then get an idea on wht profit you can expect to make.
To set the records straight I have to mention that I did start Cata with about 100k which I used to buy herbs with (I made this from JC in the wrath expansion and I will go into JC a little here for you too.) so you do need some gold to begin with - I would say about 20 - 30k minimum.
I have been preparing for the release of epic gems ( which should happen with the second major patch for Cata) and have been buying all the pyrite ore on my server as well. As mentioned earlier Pyrite Ore on my server sells for around 160g/stack. Like WOTLK when they released epic gems JC's needed to prospect the Titanium Ore to get them. The same will be for Pyrite Ore in Cataclysm.
The trend appears to be very similar in terms of prices with ores atm as it was in Wrath. The price of Titanium ore was around 150g before the release of epic gems. When epic gems were release the price of the ores rose to around 600g for a short while before falling to approx 300 - 400g for a good deal of time.
If you keep mining as a gathering prof I would suggest to keep your pyrite ore if you can afford to until the epic gem release, then sell for a much higher profit margin.
For myself I will be prospecting most of the ores I am holding on the 4 bank toons I have and selling the cut gems (as I have JC maxed) as well as selling the powder (similar to the titanium powder). I would estimate that the Pyrite Ore once prospected will make me somewhere between 600 - 800g per stack in the first week. The prices will go down and stabalise after the first week.
I hope this gives you a little insight into what I have been doing to make my gold. Let me know if you have any Questions :D
Post by
Vilecurses
Below is the earlier post I made. Please use the current prices on your server to calculate costs.
As good as your post was you have made an error in your working out of how many stacks are required to make one card.
Please see below for workings out.
1 Stack (20) lesser herbs = 4 Mills
@ 2-3 Ashen Pigment per mill (average 2.5)= 10 Pigments = 5 Blackfallow Ink per stack
@ 25% drop of Burning Embers = 1/2 Inferno Ink per stack
Note: Blackfallow Ink can be traded for Inferno Inks in Dalaran
Now - times the above statistics by 10 stacks
5 Blackfallow Ink * 10 Stacks = 50 Blackfallow ink
1/2 Inferno Ink * 10 Stacks = 5 Inferno Ink
Trade the 50 Blackfallow inks for 5 Inferno Ink and add the 5 Inferno Ink u already have = 10 Inferno Ink
So basically u need 10 stacks of either Cinderbloom, Heartblossom, Azshara's Veil or Stormvine
to make the 10 Inferno Ink for 1 DMF card.
The formulae is slightly different for the greater herbs.
1 Stack (20) greater herbs = 4 Mills
@ 2-4 Ashen Pigment per mill (average 3) = 12 Pigments = 6 Blackfallow Ink per stack
@ 50% drop of Burning Embers = 1 Inferno Ink per stack
This equates to 1.6 Inferno Inks per stack or approx 6.5 stacks for 1 DMF card
The greater herbs are Twilight Jasmine and Whiptail.
If you want to do a price comparison between the greater and lesser herbs all you need to do is
divide the greater herb stack price by 1.6. If the amount is lower than the lesser herb price then
the greater herb is the better buy and costing less to make a card.
Now based on your sums if a lesser herb was 100g/stack and volatile life was 10g ea the the sum would be -
10 stacks x 100g = 1000g
+ 10g x 30 = 300
= 1300 gold per card
Greater herb based on your cost of 200g/stack
6.5 stacks x 200g = 1300g
+ 10g x 30 = 300g
= 1600 gold per card
Now don't forget to times the cost of your card by 8 to get the price for one deck.
Based on my earlier calculations the greater herbs would have to be 160g to be the same cost to make the cards as the lesser herbs @100g ea.
160g/stack / 1.6 = 100g
I too have been making the cards on one of my alts. I have made over 40 full decks so far. When I mill I only use the lesser herbs (namely cinderbloom and stormvine) as they work out to be more cost effective at the moment on my server.
I hope this helps.
Ive probably made over 200 decks now. and prices have come down alot but there is still massive gold to be made here.
Post by
lankybrit
Just be aware that this can also be true:
Inferno Ink sells for 120g
Mysterious Fortune Card sells for 15g == Blackfallow Ink.
So, for one stack of Herbs, 1 Inferno + 6 BF => 210g
This will net you much more than using the Mills to make DM Cards.
Cheers.
Post by
Vilecurses
Loveandlust's question was: Hey, I was just wondering what is the best proffessions to make gold? so I guess with your info it would strengthen the case for inscriptions. However I stand by my earlier post on what will generate the
MOST GOLD
. You would need to sell a lot of Mysterious Fortune Cards and Inferno Inks to generate the gold I have made with the DMF cards :D
Minus the cost of the herb stack say 60g = 150g profit. These are good items to make if your happy with a small/steady income. Unfortunately on my server Inferno Ink does not sell quickly at all and the fortune cards are also slowing down. So I would unfortunately disagree with your statement This will net you much more than using the Mills to make DM Cards.
As for the DMfaire cards they are still in high demand though this will sooner or later slow down too. Maybe this is something to keep in mind for the next expansion to be prepared for if your not in a financial position to undertake it now.
Current card prices on my server are as follows:
Tsunami 16k
Volcano 13k
Hurricane 8k
Earthquake 3k
The average cost on my server to make one deck is:
To make one card - herbs approx 400g (to make enough inferno ink)+ 30 Volatile Life @ 6.5g each = 195g = 595 gold per card
595g x 8 cards to make a deck = 4760g to make an average deck
Of course you will not get 8 different cards of one deck to make the trinket so you will need to sell or trade the excess ones you make for the ones you are missing.
Lets say you had enough to make around 8 decks to begin with at a cost of 38080 gold. You make 2 decks of each card: (16 + 13 + 8 +3) x2 = 80k for a profit of 41,920 gold. that's pretty easy money in my opinion and not hard at all to sell 8 cards in trade chat.
To make the same profit selling the MFC's or Infernos you would need to sell 280 inferno inks and 1118 Mysterious fortune cards based on your server prices. My server the MFC are around 10g ea infernos around 80g ea so I would probably need to double my sales numbers to achieve the same profit. But because you would probably have to sell these via the AH you would have to minus the AH cut from this too.
I think I would rather sell 8 trinkets. Its that simple and it's why I'm a squillionaire :DD but to anyone reading this please do your own maths, experiment a little with selling MFC's and infernos if you wish and make up your own mind. Good luck in getting rich ;)
Post by
Cambo
If you want gold, get mining & herbalism. Can track both on the minimap, and can level both up from scratch within 2-3 days at level 85.
Lower level herbs and ore have a tendency to sell well, and keep in mind that the cata ore & herbs
will always be in demand
until the next expansion. Darkmoon cards on the otherhand are typically under huge demand at the beginning of expansions, but won't be so much as we get more patches, less importance on epic trinkets at fresh 85 as JP will be easier and quicker to get.
Post by
lankybrit
The average cost on my server to make one deck is:
To make one card - herbs approx 400g (to make enough inferno ink)+ 30 Volatile Life @ 6.5g each = 195g = 595 gold per card
Huh? Where did the 400g come from? You say that 6.5 stacks are required for the Inferno Ink for a Card. Can you really get a stack for 61.53g?
Oh, and from that 6.5 stacks, it's 6.5 Inferno, and 38 BF Ink. If I can even sell the Inferno for 100g and the BF (on their own, or through MFC) for 12g, that makes 650 + 456 => 1116g from your 400g investment with no trading of cards or getting Volatile life or anything going on. Guess it all depends on your server.
Cheers.
Post by
lankybrit
An update.
People have finally realized on my server that if Whiptail goes for 100g per stack, then Inferno Ink should really be worth only about 60-70g. There's a lot of it up for 65g right now. MFCs are still in the 12-15g range though.
So, I'll probably make a real effort now to make Darkmoon cards and see if I can trade for sets and make the Trinkets.
I'd still like to know how Vile got 6.5 stacks of Whiptail for 400g though. I get mine through farming. I farmed in Uldum for about 45 minutes this morning and got 310 Whiptail and 110 Volatile Life.
Cheers.
Post by
Vilecurses
Huh? Where did the 400g come from? You say that 6.5 stacks are required for the Inferno Ink for a Card. Can you really get a stack for 61.53g?
Oh, and from that 6.5 stacks, it's 6.5 Inferno, and 38 BF Ink. If I can even sell the Inferno for 100g and the BF (on their own, or through MFC) for 12g, that makes 650 + 456 => 1116g from your 400g investment with no trading of cards or getting Volatile life or anything going on. Guess it all depends on your server.
Cheers.
Yes it does depend on your server. Whiptail has been selling for around 50 - 65 gold per stack on my server (usually just below 60g) for around a month now which is how I arrived at the price of 400g
And as you said yourself you get 38BF Ink from 6.5 stacks which if you traded with the ink vendor for Infernos = 3.8 infernos per 6.5 stacks. 3.8 + 6.5 = 10.3 infernos per 6.5stacks of whiptail. = DMF card (after u buy Volatile) per 6.5 stack of whiptail.
I like how you use my prices of the 400g investment which is taken from my server and then sold them on your server at a higher sell price of 1116g afer you sold the inks individually LOL which you didn't bother to correct when u updated your next post saying Infernos were now around 65g each on your server. If your going to use my prices please stick with my server sell prices of 60g whiptail, 65g/inferno & 10g MFC or use your server prices for each item.
If you can't fugure it out send me an in game mail and ill explain how I got my numbers. Trying to make me sound like a nub doesn't help anyone, sorta makes you look a wee bit silly when I respond + I get tired of re-explaining myself.
So to again highlight your last 2 posts questioning the 400g for 6.5 stacks of Whiptail the answer is:-
Whiptail has been selling for around 50 - 65 gold per stack on my server (usually just below 60g) for around a month now which is how I arrived at the price of 400g
Post by
Vilecurses
Just to add one more thing - make sure you are looking at all the herb prices not just whiptail. Stormvine, Cinderbloom etc. Work out which is the most cost effective (you can use my earlier post as a guide if you wish)
Cinderbloom has been selling on my server for around 32 - 45 gold per stack. Based on my whiptail price of 60 gold (on my server) I would have to buy Cinderbloom for no more than 37.5 gold to be the same value for milling to get inks.
Do your maths to maximise your profit.
Post by
atomicwolf22
The problem is people don't want to do the math because there lazy.
I commonly see 2 Inf. Inks and 6 BF Inks. per stack of Whiptail. Atleast that what is ave. out to be for the 2k+ Whiptail that I have milled over the past few weeks.
Post by
lankybrit
Vile: I bow to your superior Inscription and Herbing pricing knowledge.
I checked and Whiptail is now going for about 60g a stack, and so is Inferno Ink :)
So, as I said, I'm now following your advice a gearing up to make boatloads of Darkmoon Cards.
Cheers.
Post by
lankybrit
The problem is people don't want to do the math because there lazy.
I commonly see 2 Inf. Inks and 6 BF Inks. per stack of Whiptail. Atleast that what is ave. out to be for the 2k+ Whiptail that I have milled over the past few weeks.
No way you see 2 Inf inks per stack unless you got really lucky and the sample size is really small.
Cheers.
Post by
Loveandlust
There is a lot of information being posted, there is a lot of money to be earned by darkmoon cards but Im returning to wow in a few months and i fear all the proper characters will have better gear in that time. I have convinced my brother to take up JC but I was watching a load of ppl get up to GC using alchamy, any alchamist out there to tell me how that is?
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