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HsR's Demographics of Wowhead: Religion
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Well excuse me for trying to add to the discussion. Clearly a discussion about religion cannot include philosophical approaches.
There is no necessary relation between the two. Some religions might require a certain philosophical approach, and vice versa, but that's just case of definitions overlapping.
Post by
twsX
Agnosticism (you're missing an S) isn't a religious belief, it's a principle.
There are agnostic atheists (like myself) and agnostic theists (Christians or any other religion)
I don't know what to vote. :O
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Agnosticism (you're missing an S) isn't a religious belief, it's a principle.
There are agnostic atheists (like myself) and agnostic theists (Christians or any other religion)
I've explained my reasons several times in this thread already.
And I seriously doubt very many Christians would consider themselves agnostic. Just because you separate knowledge and belief doesn't mean everyone else does.
Post by
Skreeran
What's interesting is that the number of atheists continues to grow (from 40 or so to 62), but the percentage stays at rougly 43 percent.
We're still at a pretty small sample size, but the fact that the percentage hasn't changed majorly in a while may indicate that that percentage may actually be a good indicator of the community as a whole.
Post by
twsX
And I seriously doubt very many Christians would consider themselves agnostic. Just because you separate knowledge and belief doesn't mean everyone else does.
I didn't mean to offend you.
I do believe though that people wouldn't have a problem seperating belief and knowledge, but just happen to feel they both know and believe something. Also, agnosticism is less about acknowleding that you don't know, but more about realizing the irrelevance of the question.
Having agnosticism in the list simply doesn't make sense. You could as well put an option of preference towards cooked eggs (scrambled, sunny side up) in there.
Also, I happen to know many agnostics who believe in a deity. Most of them Christian.
Post by
Monday
I didn't mean to offend you.
HsR always speaks like that =P
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I do believe though that people wouldn't have a problem seperating belief and knowledge, but just happen to feel they both know and believe something.
You're dividing them by origin, not by essence.
How you come to know something and how you come to believe something may be different, but that doesn't necessarily make them any different as an affirmation, if both are meant as a correspondence to reality. Both "I believe God exists" and "I know God exists" are saying that what is in my mind corresponds to reality, the difference is in the means by which that correspondence in achieved.
Having agnosticism in the list simply doesn't make sense. You could as well put an option of preference towards cooked eggs (scrambled, sunny side up) in there.
That's ridiculous, especially considering 25 thought it was a perfectly fine option to vote for.
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Post by
Skreeran
WTF is Mormon anyway? And why are there even differences in Christianity, because to them, God sees them all as equal, so why not be equal, right. (I'm not entirely sure of my own personal religious beliefs, but it has to do with a spirit world and I don't know what it's called)Mormonism is very different from mainstream Christianity, even if they both believe in Christ. Most Christians believe that there is one god, and that he is also his fleshy son.
Mormonism, if I recall correctly, maintains that there is a large number of gods, and that Elohim was simply the god of this planet, and that he sent his son (who is not him) to Earth, and that Jesus (again, if I recall correctly) would eventually become a full blown god like Elohim.
Mormons (
IIRC
, really don't mean to misrepresent them) believe that they are destined to be come gods in their own right, on other planets.
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Post by
Squishalot
Skree, I'm pretty sure that that's not right, but I'll let Funden reply.
Post by
Skreeran
Skree, I'm pretty sure that that's not right, but I'll let Funden reply.It's quite possible I'm wrong, but I'm going off of what I've heard secondhand (from people like Funden), and what I've read on wikis and seen in videos. I may have gotten some bad information or not understood it properly, but I was doing my best to answer MrFreeze's question of "WTF is Mormon anyway?"
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Post by
Heckler
Mormonism is very different from mainstream Christianity, even if they both believe in Christ. Most Christians believe that there is one god, and that he is also his fleshy son.
Mormonism, if I recall correctly, maintains that there is a large number of gods, and that Elohim was simply the god of this planet, and that he sent his son (who is not him) to Earth, and that Jesus (again, if I recall correctly) would eventually become a full blown god like Elohim.
Mormons (IIRC, really don't mean to misrepresent them) believe that they are destined to be come gods in their own right, on other planets.
Skree, I'm pretty sure that that's not right, but I'll let Funden reply.It's quite possible I'm wrong, but I'm going off of what I've heard secondhand (from people like Funden), and what I've read on wikis and seen in videos. I may have gotten some bad information or not understood it properly, but I was doing my best to answer MrFreeze's question of "WTF is Mormon anyway?"
I'd be curious to hear a Mormon's reply to this. I grew up in rural Idaho and knew a lot of Mormons, as well as kids who grew up in Mormon households and rejected the religion. All of them were
extremely evasive
when they talked about the specifics of their religion. When I'm approached by Mormon missionaries these days, I sometimes try to engage them in a serious conversation about what they believe, but I usually get the same sort of evasive non-responses.
Post by
xaratherus
Mormonism is very different from mainstream Christianity, even if they both believe in Christ. Most Christians believe that there is one god, and that he is also his fleshy son.
Mormonism, if I recall correctly, maintains that there is a large number of gods, and that Elohim was simply the god of this planet, and that he sent his son (who is not him) to Earth, and that Jesus (again, if I recall correctly) would eventually become a full blown god like Elohim.
Mormons (IIRC, really don't mean to misrepresent them) believe that they are destined to be come gods in their own right, on other planets.
Skree, I'm pretty sure that that's not right, but I'll let Funden reply.It's quite possible I'm wrong, but I'm going off of what I've heard secondhand (from people like Funden), and what I've read on wikis and seen in videos. I may have gotten some bad information or not understood it properly, but I was doing my best to answer MrFreeze's question of "WTF is Mormon anyway?"
I'd be curious to hear a Mormon's reply to this. I grew up in rural Idaho and knew a lot of Mormons, as well as kids who grew up in Mormon households and rejected the religion. All of them were
extremely evasive
when they talked about the specifics of their religion. When I'm approached by Mormon missionaries these days, I sometimes try to engage them in a serious conversation about what they believe, but I usually get the same sort of evasive non-responses.
This is what I've heard as well, personally - as well as what I've experienced. With the details that I've come across - and that's all I can go by; if a religion is that secretive, expect people to jump to conclusions - Mormonism is the younger, more successful brother of Scientology in regards to fabulous beliefs.
Post by
TheMediator
Mormonism is very different from mainstream Christianity, even if they both believe in Christ. Most Christians believe that there is one god, and that he is also his fleshy son.
Mormonism, if I recall correctly, maintains that there is a large number of gods, and that Elohim was simply the god of this planet, and that he sent his son (who is not him) to Earth, and that Jesus (again, if I recall correctly) would eventually become a full blown god like Elohim.
Mormons (IIRC, really don't mean to misrepresent them) believe that they are destined to be come gods in their own right, on other planets.
Skree, I'm pretty sure that that's not right, but I'll let Funden reply.It's quite possible I'm wrong, but I'm going off of what I've heard secondhand (from people like Funden), and what I've read on wikis and seen in videos. I may have gotten some bad information or not understood it properly, but I was doing my best to answer MrFreeze's question of "WTF is Mormon anyway?"
I'd be curious to hear a Mormon's reply to this. I grew up in rural Idaho and knew a lot of Mormons, as well as kids who grew up in Mormon households and rejected the religion. All of them were
extremely evasive
when they talked about the specifics of their religion. When I'm approached by Mormon missionaries these days, I sometimes try to engage them in a serious conversation about what they believe, but I usually get the same sort of evasive non-responses.
This is what I've heard as well, personally - as well as what I've experienced. With the details that I've come across - and that's all I can go by; if a religion is that secretive, expect people to jump to conclusions - Mormonism is the younger, more successful brother of Scientology in regards to fabulous beliefs.
You say "fabulous beliefs" as if Christianity doesn't already describe stories of vengeful space wizards nuking cities from orbit or people living inside giant sea monsters.
Post by
xaratherus
You say "fabulous beliefs" as if Christianity doesn't already describe stories of vengeful space wizards nuking cities from orbit or people living inside giant sea monsters.
True. That, and it's got talking donkeys. It's sort of a theistic version of Shrek.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I see, Mormonism and Buddhism finally got added.
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