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Can Azshara be stronger than Deathwing?
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Post by
Adamsm
Since the first Cataclysm didn't kill everyone on the planet....doubt the second spell would have either; since the Old Gods had taken over Deathwing's body and if they blew up the planet, they would have died too. And I still think she's just as powerful.
Post by
Gone
Well I didn't mean I thought he would have blown up the planet maybe just recreated what happened to ours after the meteor struck that killed the dinosaurs. I mean Azeroth was being held together by strings after the first cataclysm, I just figured if another one hit, that would be it for the planet.
Post by
keyur
I wanna say wait and watch for Azshara. At the moment she is joke and Deathwing became joke. Atleast LK, Archimonde and Manaroth did something as villain(compare to Azshara).
Post by
Adamsm
Um....what? Where does that logic come from?
We saw Azshara's power during War of the Ancients. We saw her strength during Cata when she's the one responsible for keeping Malfurion busy in Darkshore while Ragnaros toasted a portion of Hyjal.
Also, don't forget, Mannoroth and Archimonde were weary of Azshara because her power was their equal during the time of War of the Ancients; that was when she was just a Night Elf and before an Old God turned her into the Naga Queen.
Post by
keyur
Well less powerful doesnt mean that villain is not dangerous. Some of those villain did more harm then most powerful villain and thats what it counts.
Just giving an example in regards of power.(I know those are not villain) Thrall and Velen. We know Velen is far more powerful than Thrall but Thrall did countless things for horde and Azeroth compare to Velen.
Post by
Adamsm
Azshara is more or less responsible for the Sundering since she ripped open the Portal at the Well of Eternity enough for Sargeras to walk through. She's also the absolute leader of the Naga, so anything they do can be attributed back to her(everything Vashj did in Warcraft 3 and BC? That was all as part of a plot by Azshara).
Post by
Gone
Im not even saying I dont think Azshara can match him in a fight, I mean givin the nature of their powers I might even give her an edge. But Deathwing caused destruction on a global level, I just dont think shes capable of that level of destruction or raw power. As best you could call the Sundering continental, but even that was due as much to the Well of Eternity, Deathwing getting torn apart ^&*!ing things up with his earth powers, and just the raw energy of the portal imploding, as it was to her power. I mean she channeled the spell, but the energy came from the Dragon Soul.
I know I was the former president of the Azshara hate club, but Ive been rereading my old books and some other stuff online, and Im actually starting to get mad respect for the queen. But even so I dont think shes capable of Deathwing the way he is in Cataclysm, maybe pre caty Deathwing. This is pre Old God upgrades of course, she is very likley more powerful now than she used to be.
Post by
Adamsm
/sigh Deathwing was already fleeing when the Sundering happened; he had nothing to do with it. Azshara ripped open the portal to let Sargeras in, and when the portal spell failed, that's when everything went to hell.
Post by
Gone
/sigh Deathwing was already fleeing when the Sundering happened; he had nothing to do with it. Azshara ripped open the portal to let Sargeras in, and when the portal spell failed, that's when everything went to hell.
He didnt really flea, he just got punted away. Anyway I just always figured his pain/rage from being torn apart and denied what he wanted so much contributed to the Sundering. Anyway still its not like Azshara did it all by herself, it was all the pent up energy from the Well and the DS wasnt it? She was just using/channeling it.
Like whether or not she would win in a fight, what Is if she and Deathwing had a destroy-off if you will, they both just went on a rampage and destroyed everything they could that was in their power, Deathwing would win. I dont think that she could caus as much destruction as the Sundering on her own, without the specific events of WOTA.
Plus
He sensed their outrage that he would not obey them. They savagely attacked his mind even as though other means they fueled the Burning Legion's spells that also battled him. Never had the black dragon suffered so, but it would all be worth it. Even though he only inched forward, he still made progress. The disk was almost within his grasp.
Away.. they repeated. Away...
Under their outrage, however Neltharion also noted growing anxiety, even fear. The voices, too, saw that he had almost reached his creation. Perhaps they understood that when it came back into his possession, he would punish them along with all the rest.
Then, another factor came more into play. The demon lord reached out from his own realm, magnifying the horrific forces already bound into the spell matrix. Neltharion bellowed again as the torture he had suffered previously proved but a fraction of what he now felt.
Sargeras and the Old Gods were feeding their energy into the spell as well after Deathwing attacked the Soul, there were a lot of factors in play besides Azshara.
Post by
Adamsm
But not Deathwing; like you said, he was already gone when everything went to @#$%. The Well exploding caused all of the physical damage, not the battered and shattered Earth Warder who had just gotten hit by the Legion, the Old Gods, the Highborne and the Rebellion forces.
Edit: Because remember, that was still the Deathwing who wanted to rule the world, not the one who wanted to destroy it.
As for the rampage; depends. Azshara doing another major magic assault at Hyjal, the Sunwell, Dalaran, the Eye of Eternity or any other major concentration of magic could cause as much if not more damage then Deathwing....since you know, had Malygos done what he wanted to do with the Eye he would have wound up destroying all of Northrend.
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Post by
Adamsm
Are we only talking ba guys here or is there good guys aswell?
if we include good/neutral guys id say the Titan pantheon wins.Old Gods would say other wise, since the Titans couldn't kill them.
If we pick between "mortal" (non titans) id say one of the more powerful would be that guy who corrupted the entire emerald dream. (i cant remember his name atm)
Xavius died to a magical axe and a storm; anyone with a strong will could hold out against the Nightmare(as seen by the massive army of all the races Varian and Baine lead against the Nightmare forces).
Post by
Gone
I always got the impression that as an entire race Titans > Old Gods, but on an individual basis Old Gods > Titans. Of course we dont know exactly how many Old Gods there are out there. And the raid preview for Dragon Soul tells us that N'Zoths forces were waging war against C'Thun and Yogg-Sarons, so its also possible that the Old Gods werent united during the Ordering. Although knowing them they may have just had their faceless armys fight each other for amusement like the Elemental Lords.
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Post by
Gone
Arthas actually killed Nerzhul and became the domminant personality of the Lich King, so actually during WOTLK the Lich Kings power did come from Arthas and Frostmourne.
As far as Azshara and Deathwing go, like I said Ive been getting mad respect for Azshara latley, but Im also more convinced than ever that Deathwing is more powerful. I mean his final fight made it pretty damn clear that in terms of raw power, Deathing was > all four of the other Aspects.
The way I see it in terms of what they can do, Deathwing is a hammer, and Azshara is a swiss army knife. She is more hax and more versitile, but he has more raw power.
Post by
Adamsm
More like Azshara is a scalpel to Deathwing's hammer, since all through Cata, he shows he doesn't have full control.
Post by
Elarink
Azshara has a herb named after her... So she must be cooler than Deathwing, because their is no such herb as Deathwing's Adamantite Jaw. :D
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Post by
Stabhorn
I really think Azshara can defeat Deathwing. It won't be an easy win, but in the end, she'll be able to do it imo. I think it's already confirmed that she
had
a power boost from the Old Gods since she hasn't turned away from them ever since she was promised to be "more than she ever was" by the whispers. As to how much, there is no proof. I'm thinking the Old Gods have been bolstering her already efficient power the same way they always do to most of their valuable minions, it just so happens they chose to use Deathwing first and reserve Azshara for later chaos. Plus, she could even be draining Neptulon's power and use it for her own.
I think Ragnaros and Azshara would be a stalemate.
Azshara would definitely beat The Lich King. While the merged Nerzhul and Arthas are a force to be reckon with, they're still under Kil'jaeden. And Mannoroth, a very powerful demon and general of the Burning Legion, even saw Azshara as superior to him and that only Archimonde, Kil'jaeden and possible Sargeras could match her.
Azshara = Powerful Naga Sorceress
Deathwing = Aspect of Death, corrupted Dragon Aspect.
Deathwing wins. I doubt there would even be a real fight. The Four Dragon Aspects, along with Thrall and the Adventurers couldn't even defeat him. Only the Dragon Soul could kill him. How could Azshara even hope to stand against him?
And Mannoroth never saw Azshara as his superior, he despised her. He was powerful enough to virtually hold the Well of Eternity's portal open by himself for a small time. Azshara could never match that.
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