This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please enable JavaScript in your browser.
Live
PTR
10.2.7
PTR
10.2.6
Beta
Can Azshara be stronger than Deathwing?
Post Reply
Return to board index
Post by
Monday
I dont mean mortal in the sence that she dosnt die i mean mortal in the sence like, the dragon aspects are basicly gods with the power the titans gave them, and Azhsara was born on a lower teir.
Doesn't matter. She's had like 20,000 years to increase her power, if not more.
no i didnt and please dont twist my words around unless your going to show where i did
Fine.
i dont think things like really come in to play as much on such a high level
magic isnt the only way to fight
Those are two statements that directly contradict each other and help to prove my point.
Post by
Gone
I dont mean mortal in the sence that she dosnt die i mean mortal in the sence like, the dragon aspects are basicly gods with the power the titans gave them, and Azhsara was born on a lower teir.
Doesn't matter. She's had like 20,000 years to increase her power, if not more.
no i didnt and please dont twist my words around unless your going to show where i did
Fine.
i dont think things like really come in to play as much on such a high level
magic isnt the only way to fight
Those are two statements that directly contradict each other and help to prove my point.
I wasnt refering to physical strenth, when you have two being that are as powerfull as gods fighting, the ammount of muscle they have really dosnt matter. What i meant was that Deathwing has other powers that are not related to magic. For example as the earth warder he has power over the earth, after he went off the deep end he flattened mountains and other territory dividers so mortals would war with each other. There is also the fact that he can breathe magma, also there are other blacl dragons with unique powers so im sure he has other abilitys as well.
As apposed to Azshara who basicly just weilds the same magic that any mortal can, but on a higher level. It just seems to me that anyone can reach Azsharas level of power given enough time and natural ability, where as Deathwing isnt something any mortal can reach.
Post by
Adamsm
Here's where it falls apart.
Azshara is not mortal. She is a highborne, and now a naga. They are immortal, as far as we can tell. Azshara has had the same amount of time to build up her magical strength as the aspects, and a far longer amount of time than any other individual
I dont mean mortal in the sence that she dosnt die i mean mortal in the sence like, the dragon aspects are basicly gods with the power the titans gave them, and Azhsara was born on a lower teir.The Aspects are just as mortal; after all, you kill one and that particular dragon isn't coming back. And there you go with assuming again: that because you don't see Azshara(the right way to spell it by the way) as a threat, it obvious she's a weakling, and far below the others...never mind that she was the Queen of the Night Elves for several thousand years, founded the Highborne, the Moonguard, and was the most powerful magical creature at the time next to Malygos, who got a hell of a lot weaker before the end of the WotA as the plot of the Demon Soul sealed away a large portion of his power, and didn't recover till almost 10 thousand years later when the Soul was destroyed, and the four still weak Aspects kicked the hell out of Deathwing, driving him into hiding, and sending him off Draenor. And of course, there's still the fact while you see might makes right, Khadgar damaged Deathwing during the Alliance Expedition in Draenor; if you think that Deathwing sees magic users as 'weaklings' well....whatever.
ok the most powerfull dragon aspect that isnt MIA, happy?
yes time travel trumps everything but so does a willingness to act.
you always do that, you take one tiny thing i say that has
nothing
to do with the over all point and pick at itExcept it does; you make broad over reaching comments, and don't back them up: You declare Deathwing as the most powerful aspect, when he technically hasn't been the Earth Warder for almost 10 thousand years now. He's not the end all power on Azeroth; there are those who are stronger then him, those who are as strong as him, and those who are weaker. Either accept that's how a debate works, or stop posting.
As apposed to Azshara who basicly just weilds the same magic that any mortal can, but on a higher level. It just seems to me that anyone can reach Azsharas level of power given enough time and natural ability, where as Deathwing isnt something any mortal can reach./face palm; Yes, if they are alive for 24 thousand years, I'm sure they could. Jesu Christo.....
Post by
Gone
Except it does; you make broad over reaching comments, and don't back them up: You declare Deathwing as the most powerful aspect, when he technically hasn't been the Earth Warder for almost 10 thousand years now. He's not the end all power on Azeroth; there are those who are stronger then him, those who are as strong as him, and those who are weaker. Either accept that's how a debate works, or stop posting.
We havnt been talking about Nozzy this entore debate, even when talking about teh aspects it has been between Deathwing, Alexstraza, and Malygos.
And i never said Azshara was a weakling, in fact i said several times she is very powerfull, i just dont hold her to the same level as Deathwing. And i never said Deathwing was end all power on Azeroth either, but once again, i think he is more powerfull than Azshara
And as to your comment about the dragon aspects being mortal, once again im not refering to the baility to live forever or die, i mean that they are just on a higher teir than mortal born magic useres
/face palm; Yes, if they are alive for 24 thousand years, I'm sure they could. Jesu Christo.....
/facepalm; i guess you didnt read where i said "given enough time" yes she is very old, Deathwing is older so if thats your argument it still supports my side. I have said several times time isnt the end all for this type of thing
Post by
Ritmas
how can he defeat Azshara by splitting the earth in two peaces, or making volcanos etc.
As apposed to Azshara who basicly just weilds the same magic that any mortal can, but on a higher level.
It just seems to me that anyone can reach Azsharas level of power given enough time and natural ability, where as Deathwing isnt something any mortal can reach.
Your logic is flawed. It's like saying Lebron James wields the same skill like childengarden basketball noob kid, but on higher level. Oh yeah, he is. Cause skill is always the same at same aspects.
All magic are the same. (Ok there are differences between arcane and fel magic :S)
Post by
Monday
What higher tier? Please explain, because frankly for all intents and purposes the night elves and dragons live the same amount of time, use the same magic, etc.
And i never said Azshara was a weakling, in fact i said several times she is very powerfull, i just dont hold her to the same level as Deathwing.
Why not? Make one statement with reasons as to why you don't hold her as powerful with lore reasons to back it up. Not speculation, not opinion, actual facts.
/facepalm; i guess you didnt read where i said "given enough time" yes she is very old, Deathwing is older so if thats your argument it still supports my side. I have said several times time isnt the end all for this type of thing
Deathwing is not older.
Post by
Adamsm
And as to your comment about the dragon aspects being mortal, once again im not refering to the baility to live forever or die, i mean that they are just on a higher teir than mortal born magic useresYour opinion; it doesn't say that anywhere in Lore, and since the Six, Khadgar and even Rhonin, all at different times, have damaged and hurt Deathwing, shows that mortal born magic is just as much a threat to Deathwing as he is to Azeroth.
So, yes, the idea that the most powerful magi on the planet, one that has been alive for almost 24 thousand years, being the equal to Deathwing is not that much of a stretch as you think it is, especially, when just like the Ex-Earth Warder, she has an Old God upgrade as well; and before you say 'Oh there is no evidence that she's stronger', look at Lady Vashj, who is able to do things she was unable to do as a Highborne Elf, and was one of the stronger of Azshara's hand maidens. If you really do believe that Azshara hasn't changed at all, with all the Lore that shows over time people in Azeroth become far stronger, well....whatever.
/facepalm; i guess you didnt read where i said "given enough time" yes she is very old, Deathwing is older so if thats your argument it still supports my side. I have said several times time isnt the end all for this type of thingAnd he was given the max of his power back then; he didn't keep increasing in power as time passed, and it wasn't till he napped in Deepholme, healing after all the wounds he gained over the last few decades, that he started increasing again......which again, was a time frame of 10 thousand years where Azshara
was
already enhanced by the Old Gods.
Post by
Gone
how can he defeat Azshara by splitting the earth in two peaces, or making volcanos etc.
As apposed to Azshara who basicly just weilds the same magic that any mortal can, but on a higher level.
It just seems to me that anyone can reach Azsharas level of power given enough time and natural ability, where as Deathwing isnt something any mortal can reach.
Your logic is flawed. It's like saying Lebron James wields the same skill like childengarden basketball noob kid, but on higher level. Oh yeah, he is. Cause skill is always the same at same aspects.
All magic are the same. (Ok there are differences between arcane and fel magic :S)
ok all arguments on whos tronger Azshara or Deathwing, Azshara DOES weild the same power as mortal magic useres but on a much higher level, she was just a mage, a very powerfull mage, but she wasnt granted any type of special powers that normal magic users dont have, she just had a lot of natural ability and lived a lot longer than most
Post by
Monday
ok all arguments on whos tronger Azshara or Deathwing, Azshara DOES weild the same power as mortal magic useres but on a much higher level, she was just a mage, a very powerfull mage, but she wasnt granted any type of special powers that normal magic users dont have, she just had a lot of natural ability and lived a lot longer than most
ALL MAGIC IS THE SAME. There is no "Aspect magic" and "mortal magic." There is only power, and those too weak to seek it.
Post by
Adamsm
ok all arguments on whos tronger Azshara or Deathwing, Azshara DOES weild the same power as mortal magic useres but on a much higher level, she was just a mage, a very powerfull mage, but she wasnt granted any type of special powers that normal magic users dont have, she just had a lot of natural ability and lived a lot longer than most
Normally I don't do caps.. but
SHE DOES HAVE POWERS THAT MOST MORTALS DON'T! OR IS THE FACT THAT SHE IS NOW A
GIANT OCTOPUS ELF
NOT REGISTER TO YOU AT ALL? DO YOU KNOW WHY SHE LOOKS LIKE THAT? BECAUSE THE OLD GOD TOUCHED HER AND ENHANCED HER.
Jesus tap dancing Christ.....
Post by
Ritmas
how can he defeat Azshara by splitting the earth in two peaces, or making volcanos etc.
As apposed to Azshara who basicly just weilds the same magic that any mortal can, but on a higher level.
It just seems to me that anyone can reach Azsharas level of power given enough time and natural ability, where as Deathwing isnt something any mortal can reach.
Your logic is flawed. It's like saying Lebron James wields the same skill like childengarden basketball noob kid, but on higher level. Oh yeah, he is. Cause skill is always the same at same aspects.
All magic are the same. (Ok there are differences between arcane and fel magic :S)
ok all arguments on whos tronger Azshara or Deathwing, Azshara DOES weild the same power as mortal magic useres but on a much higher level, she was just a mage, a very powerfull mage, but she wasnt granted any type of special powers that normal magic users dont have, she just had a lot of natural ability and lived a lot longer than most
oh god, all arcane magic is the same. there is no such thing as mortal, god magic or special powers etc. As Adamsm said other mages was able to hurt that huge dragon, then it makes sense that he was affraid of Medivh, because he was one of the most powerful magis of Azeroth(The most powerful is my opinion, I'm such a fan of Medivh) and most of those mages are weaklings compared to Aszhara. ;)
EDIT: Ninja'd. ;S
Post by
Gone
ok all arguments on whos tronger Azshara or Deathwing, Azshara DOES weild the same power as mortal magic useres but on a much higher level, she was just a mage, a very powerfull mage, but she wasnt granted any type of special powers that normal magic users dont have, she just had a lot of natural ability and lived a lot longer than most
ALL MAGIC IS THE SAME. There is no "Aspect magic" and "mortal magic." There is only power, and those too weak to seek it.
So like if a mortal practices for a really really long time they can weild the same power as a titan? they can grow tentacles and become an old god?
thats simpley not true, theres is the power mortals can acess and there is power beyond them
Deathwing is not older
Yes he very much is, the dragon aspects and their flights were created and empowered something like 60K years ago after the old gods were sealed away
Normally I don't do caps.. but SHE DOES HAVE POWERS THAT MOST MORTALS DON'T! OR IS THE FACT THAT SHE IS NOW A GIANT OCTOPUS ELF NOT REGISTER TO YOU AT ALL? DO YOU KNOW WHY SHE LOOKS LIKE THAT? BECAUSE THE OLD GOD TOUCHED HER AND ENHANCED HER.
Jesus tap dancing Christ.....
can you give me one example of anything she has ever done that an any mage with her ammount of power could not do?
also umad? lol seriously chill out your taking this too seriously
Post by
Ritmas
ok all arguments on whos tronger Azshara or Deathwing, Azshara DOES weild the same power as mortal magic useres but on a much higher level, she was just a mage, a very powerfull mage, but she wasnt granted any type of special powers that normal magic users dont have, she just had a lot of natural ability and lived a lot longer than most
ALL MAGIC IS THE SAME. There is no "Aspect magic" and "mortal magic." There is only power, and those too weak to seek it.
So like if a mortal practices for a really really long time they can weild the same power as a titan? they can grow tentacles and become an old god?
thats simpley not true, theres is the power mortals can acess and there is power beyond them
They simply can't practise that long. How and you know something about talent?
Deathwing is not older
Yes he very much is, the dragon aspects and their flights were created and empowered something like 60K years ago after the old gods were sealed away
sauce?
Post by
Monday
ok all arguments on whos tronger Azshara or Deathwing, Azshara DOES weild the same power as mortal magic useres but on a much higher level, she was just a mage, a very powerfull mage, but she wasnt granted any type of special powers that normal magic users dont have, she just had a lot of natural ability and lived a lot longer than most
ALL MAGIC IS THE SAME. There is no "Aspect magic" and "mortal magic." There is only power, and those too weak to seek it.
So like if a mortal practices for a really really long time they can weild the same power as a titan? they can grow tentacles and become an old god?
thats simpley not true, theres is the power mortals can acess and there is power beyond them
Titans and Old Gods are separate species, so obviously one cannot grow tentacles and become and old god...
Also, the dwarves and gnomes seem to be on their way to wielding Titan power, as evidenced by their creation of machines, which was always a Titan trait.
The titans used machines and creations more than magic in most places, or magically empowered machines, which the dwarves and gnomes use as well.
Edit: Yes he very much is, the dragon aspects and their flights were created and empowered something like 60K years ago after the old gods were sealed away
Post by
Adamsm
Normally I don't do caps.. but SHE DOES HAVE POWERS THAT MOST MORTALS DON'T! OR IS THE FACT THAT SHE IS NOW A GIANT OCTOPUS ELF NOT REGISTER TO YOU AT ALL? DO YOU KNOW WHY SHE LOOKS LIKE THAT? BECAUSE THE OLD GOD TOUCHED HER AND ENHANCED HER.
Jesus tap dancing Christ.....
can you give me one example of anything she has ever done that an any mage with her ammount of power could not do?Saved her people, raised an army, is a servant of the Old Gods, is considered a major threat by the Night Elves, is still seen as something to be scared of in the dark(Tyrande's Nightmare in Stormrage about her). The fact again, without any power, she seduced and caused a large portions of the Legion forces that were her bodyguards to become entranced with her and willing to fight not just their fellows, but both Archimonde and Mannoroth, who could have squashed any of the Felguards like bugs.
also umad? lol seriously chill out your taking this too seriouslyNot mad, just fed up since pretty much every single one of your posts are fanboism.
Edit: Um guys...the Aspects were empowered 65 thousand years ago......but they were given their full powers at that point and haven't been increasing since unless outside influences occur.
Malygos draining the Ley Lines of Northrend into himself. Deathwing's healing in Deepholme.
Post by
Gone
I cant find the exact source, but i beleive its common known that the Dragon aspects were empowered directly after the Old Gods were sealed away. Im not sure exactly how long ago it was but i was pretty sure it was 64,000 years, and even if it wasnt it sure as %^&* was waaaay before Azshara was around
Since you mentioned it, did you have any source or evidence of Azshara being older or did you just pull that out of thin air?
Post by
Monday
Right. Still, they never increased in power, nor was that 60k years
before
the Night Elves.
Post by
Monday
I cant find the exact source, but i beleive its common known that the Dragon aspects were empowered directly after the Old Gods were sealed away. Im not sure exactly how long ago it was but i was pretty sure it was 64,000 years, and even if it wasnt it sure as %^&* was waaaay before Azshara was around
Since you mentioned it, did you have any source or evidence of Azshara being older or did you just pull that out of thin air?
you always do that, you take one tiny thing i say that has nothing to do with the over all point and pick at it
Irony.
Post by
Gone
I cant find the exact source, but i beleive its common known that the Dragon aspects were empowered directly after the Old Gods were sealed away. Im not sure exactly how long ago it was but i was pretty sure it was 64,000 years, and even if it wasnt it sure as %^&* was waaaay before Azshara was around
Since you mentioned it, did you have any source or evidence of Azshara being older or did you just pull that out of thin air?
you always do that, you take one tiny thing i say that has nothing to do with the over all point and pick at it
Irony.
I said that has nothing do with what the debats is about, you said Deathwing was not as old as Azshara in direct responce to a comment i made, so of course i would adress it
nice way of avoiding the question though
Post by
Monday
Check the post right above the one you quoted. /hurdur
I said that has nothing do with what the debats is about, you said Deathwing was not as old as Azshara in direct responce to a comment i made, so of course i would adress it
You didn't answer the other part of my post proving your comments about magic wrong.
nice way of avoiding the question though
Post Reply
You are not logged in. Please
log in
to post a reply or
register
if you don't already have an account.