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Can Azshara be stronger than Deathwing?
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Post by
Gone
Saved her people, raised an army, is a servant of the Old Gods, is considered a major threat by the Night Elves, is still seen as something to be scared of in the dark(Tyrande's Nightmare in Stormrage about her). The fact again, without any power, she seduced and caused a large portions of the Legion forces that were her bodyguards to become entranced with her and willing to fight not just their fellows, but both Archimonde and Mannoroth, who could have squashed any of the Felguards like bugs.
None of those are what i asked for. I mean can you give me any specific spell that she has preformed that is unique, all her most impressive thing, teh shield around her city, the portal for Sargeras, are things any normal mage can do, just more powerfull versions of it
Not mad, just fed up since pretty much every single one of your posts are fanboism.
i wouldnt really talk if i were you, i mean that whole explosive little rant seems fanboish to me. And now that i think of it you said on another thread that Deathwing and Azshara are tied for you second favorite villian, what a suprise by your logic they are also tied in equal power : /
Im not being fanboish, i said from the begining that these are just my opinions, the only real evidence you can give for a debate like this is if they actualy fought, which they never will since Deathwing is probobly going to die at the end of this expansion.
Like i said i may not have nay evidence, but neither do you, so please dont attack my points and accuse them of just fanboisim
Post by
Monday
The elfs were immortals till the well existed, and the night and high elfs were immostals cause they were bounded to Nordrassil, upon wich there was the blessing of nozdormu, that made the elfs as we know them..
Well aware of this.
For what is let us known, Azshara is immortal cause of the old gods and so are the nagas with her. for sure is that elfs were not a blessed race sin the beginning (like in Lord of the Ring of example).
Naga are immortal, from what we can see.
Btw it seems that many of u consider Malygos as aspect of Arcane Magic...but he was the aspect of all schools of magic. Arcane is just it most unshaped and basic form
All magic, except Divine, is Arcane.
Alextrasa is not a a Naaru, but know the school of life and can use the ways of light
We've never seen Alexstrasza use the Light, afaik.
as deathwing is not the Lich king, but can master as well (if not better) the necromancy.
I'm also fairly sure Deathwing hasn't used necromancy.
So, deathwing can for sure dispell ever kind of trick Azshara can throw at him
So if he can raise zombies that means he can counter the Light?
deathwing almost flatened us all just shaking a bit in the middle of the pillar of the world....
Congrats on downplaying the importance of the World Pillar.
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Adamsm
Again, the Aspects are 65 thousand years old, empowered after the Ordering was completed, and the Proto-Drakes had started to die out. But also again, they were given their full powers at that point; the powers have not grown or gotten stronger over the next 65 thousand years, without an outside influence; such as draining Ley Lines or resting within an Elemental Plane.
Azshara at this point is roughly 24 thousand years old, with the power of an Old God backing her and her people, which has increased the magical power of all of them, since again, Vashj is able to do things she couldn't do as just a simple Night Elf.
Mortal Magi are different from an Aspect and could reach their power levels if given enough time; the Guardian is a match for nearly any threat on Azeroth at this point...or he would be, if he wasn't a 30 or year old teenager(since he's a quarter draenei). A Guardian destroyed a construct empowered with a portion of the Lord of the Legion's essence inside of him, and had a moment of body snatching till the death of the next Guardian.
Right now, with the Guardian in training, no Aspect of Magic around, and the Blue Flight still just recovering, Azshara is the most powerful of the magi. And before you bring up yet another thing of 'Deathwing can level mountains and cause earthquakes'; so can Shaman and truly powerful magi; if you want to see a place where magic went wrong, look at Karazhan or Crystalsong Forest, which is the way it is after the fight between Blues and Blacks happened, and the Blues let loose a blast of wild magic free, crystallizing portions of the Forests and tearing apart huge tracts of the land.
So, my original stance still stands: Deathwing and Queen Massive #$%^ are probably equal in power by this point.
So, deathwing can for sure dispell ever kind of trick Azshara can throw at him, or at least he is the same tier as magician. Khadgar, the Six, and Rhonin all dispell that notion, since all of them hurt Deathwing with magic.
None of those are what i asked for. I mean can you give me any specific spell that she has preformed that is unique, all her most impressive thing, teh shield around her city, the portal for Sargeras, are things any normal mage can do, just more powerfull versions of itOf course, you completely ignore the part where she seduced the Legion members because admitting it proves a point.
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Gone
Check the post right above the one you quoted. /hurdur
no that wanst 60K years before the night elfs, buuuuuut i never said he was 60K years older than Azshara, just that he was older, which he is
/hurdur
and ill take that as a yes you were just pulling that out of mid air when you said Azshara was older than Deathwing
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Monday
None of those are what i asked for. I mean can you give me any specific spell that she has preformed that is unique, all her most impressive thing, teh shield around her city, the portal for Sargeras, are things any normal mage can do, just more powerfull versions of it
Can you give me any specific spell that Deathwing has done that any normal shaman can't do, just more powerful?
Im not being fanboish, i said from the begining that these are just my opinions
Still fanboyism.
Like i said i may not have nay evidence, but neither do you, so please dont attack my points and accuse them of just fanboisim
He has posted lore examples, you have posted opinions.
Post by
Gone
So, my original stance still stands: Deathwing and Queen Massive #$%^ are probably equal in power by this point.
You have literaly given no evidence of that beyond your own opinion
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Adamsm
Like i said i may not have nay evidence, but neither do you, so please dont attack my points and accuse them of just fanboisimNooooo of course not, because the Lore examples that have been used are just made up in my mind. /roll eyes
So, my original stance still stands: Deathwing and Queen Massive #$%^ are probably equal in power by this point.
You have literaly given no evidence of that beyond your own opinion
And you still haven't given any literal evidence it's not true beyond your own personal opinion.
Post by
Monday
Check the post right above the one you quoted. /hurdur
no that wanst 60K years before the night elfs, buuuuuut i never said he was 60K years older than Azshara, just that he was older, which he is
/hurdur
and ill take that as a yes you were just pulling that out of mid air when you said Azshara was older than Deathwing
God, this is an exercise in masochism.
you always do that, you take one tiny thing i say that has nothing to do with the over all point and pick at it
Seriously, you've done this at least twice, then continually accuse others. I already admitted that I was incorrect on the age, so stfu about it and debate the real points, instead of finding things I've already admitted I was incorrect about and touting it like you've proved everything I will ever say wrong.
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Gone
He has posted lore examples, you have posted opinions.
No he hasnt becaus enone exist, he has listed a bunch of impressive things Azshara has done, but hasnt explained how any of that makes her equal to Deathwing, and i dont see how that is any differen than the lore examples i have listen which aparently you call "fanboism"
I dont think im going to respond to you anymore since you basicly either paroting the stuff adam says, taking the stuff i say and going "nuh uh", or making things up and then avoiding it when i ask you about it
Post by
Adamsm
making things up and then avoiding it when i ask you about itROFL! You've been doing that since the beginning!
Edit: And not just here, in other threads too.
Post by
Gone
Like i said i may not have nay evidence, but neither do you, so please dont attack my points and accuse them of just fanboisimNooooo of course not, because the Lore examples that have been used are just made up in my mind. /roll eyes
ok ignoring everything els, show me this example? these "lore examples" you claim you have given, are basicly you listing everything Azshara has ever done, without explaining how any of it makes her equal to Deathwing, at least i admit that my opinions are just that
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Monday
I dont think im going to respond to you anymore since you basicly either paroting the stuff adam says
I haven't said the same things as Adams, at all. I've been directly responding to
your
comments.
taking the stuff i say and going "nuh uh"
No, I post examples as to why you are wrong. You are the only one that has been doing that.
or making things up and then avoiding it when i ask you about it
Too bad the only example of that I happened to admit that I was wrong, so your point is moot.
Translation: I cannot prove you wrong so you suck and gtfo I won't argue with you anymore.
Post by
Monday
Like i said i may not have nay evidence, but neither do you, so please dont attack my points and accuse them of just fanboisimNooooo of course not, because the Lore examples that have been used are just made up in my mind. /roll eyes
ok ignoring everything els, show me this example? these "lore examples" you claim you have given, are basicly you listing everything Azshara has ever done, without explaining how any of it makes her equal to Deathwing, at least i admit that my opinions are just that
Why should he? I already challenged you to do this, and you avoided it. making things up and then avoiding it when i ask you about itROFL! You've been doing that since the beginning!
Edit: And not just here, in other threads too.
QFT!
Post by
Gone
making things up and then avoiding it when i ask you about itROFL! You've been doing that since the beginning!
Edit: And not just here, in other threads too.
Just caus i disagree with you dosnt mean ive made anything up, once again you keep saying that my opinion is fanboism, while yours are backed up by all this "lore" when theres is no lore to support this because the two of them have never fought, and never will
Post by
Adamsm
making things up and then avoiding it when i ask you about itROFL! You've been doing that since the beginning!
Edit: And not just here, in other threads too.
Just caus i disagree with you dosnt mean ive made anything up, once again you keep saying that my opinion is fanboism, while yours are backed up by all this "lore" when theres is no lore to support this because the two of them have never fought, and never will
I have a question: Have you done the Naga quests in Darkshore Ryja? If so.......Queen Azshara and Ragnaros are working together to destroy Hyjal.
Beyond that, unless you can actually back up what you are posting, I am through with responding to you.
Funden: You know a thread is screwed up when I'm not actually on the side of the Deathwing fans eh?
Post by
Monday
Funden: You know a thread is screwed up when I'm not actually on the side of the Deathwing fans eh?
ikr? He's like the new taurenmoo.
Post by
OverZealous
Just caus i disagree with you dosnt mean ive made anything up, once again you keep saying that my opinion is fanboism, while yours are backed up by all this "lore" when theres is no lore to support this because the two of them have never fought, and never will
And just cause' he disagrees with you doesn't mean HE has made it up.
Come on girls, you are both just as cute, can we now please get back to the discussion?
Post by
Gone
I dont think im going to respond to you anymore since you basicly either paroting the stuff adam says
I haven't said the same things as Adams, at all. I've been directly responding to
your
comments.
taking the stuff i say and going "nuh uh"
No, I post examples as to why you are wrong. You are the only one that has been doing that.
or making things up and then avoiding it when i ask you about it
Too bad the only example of that I happened to admit that I was wrong, so your point is moot.
Translation: I cannot prove you wrong so you suck and gtfo I won't argue with you anymore.
Thats not what i meant, im just agrivated because you keep claiming to have lore or evidence to back up your side of the debate when none exist, adam listing a bunch of Azsharas acomplishments that have nothing to do with her power compared to Deathwings
Look the comment i where i said iw asnt responding to you was after you said two things about my comments that i do not think are true
1) that i was just comming from a side of fanboism, which is not true and i would rather comments like that not be tossed around
2) that my arguments were just based on my opinions while adams were backed up by "lore" which also is not true, we have all posted lore to back up our own opinions, but in the end they are still just opinions, the only lore he has posted was when he decides to list a bunch of Azsharas acomplishments, which really has nothing to do with her against Deathwing,s o that got on my nerves a bit
Ill admit i was wrong though in the comment i made about you, so sorry for that, but please lets just debate this without attacking each other, and especialy throwing around teh word fanboism, because not to mention names but i have seen some very fanboish rants thrown around by certin people in this thread
Post by
Adamsm
Come on girls, you are both just as cute, can we now please get back to the discussion?
There is no discussion anymore.
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