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Which spec is best for 5-man heroics
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Post by
Korpimieli
Hi there!
Which mage spec would you consider best for 5-man heroics? I also want to bring utility into the group, not just deal top damage.
I want to spec and gear to 5-man heroics, I won´t be raiding... So I won´t need all that much hit, I suppose?
(Haven´t played for a while...)
Thanks for all input!
Post by
Nathanyal
Arcane would most likely be the top answer. It does the best damage on short fights, which are what heroic fights are. You also get an instant Polymorph thanks to
. They bring
which only other Arcane mages and BM hunters have.
For heroics you only need 6% spell hit for bosses.
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Post by
Korpimieli
I started levelling as Frost and I gotta tell you I hate that pet... So Arcane and Fire seem to be my choices for the two specs!
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Nathanyal
They bring
which only other Arcane mages and BM hunters have.
Untrue. Retri paladins also have it
Communion
.
Ah, I don't run with many Retadins so never seen it in use.
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Post by
Korpimieli
Thanks for your input so far!
I am on a PvP server so what I´m also trying to figure out now is that is Frost the ONLY PvP spec? I wanna survive and as far as I can tell, all mage trees give some survivability...
Post by
Nathanyal
Thanks for your input so far!
I am on a PvP server so what I´m also trying to figure out now is that is Frost the ONLY PvP spec? I wanna survive and as far as I can tell, all mage trees give some survivability...
They all have survivability but frost has really great control. With you pet's Nova, you own Frost Nova, Cone of Cold, and Ring of Frost you have great snares. When you use Frostbolt, Frostfire Bolt and your Frost Armor it adds great slows as well. With Deep Freeze you have a stun that lets you deal some decent damage to them at the same time.
Fire has a slow thanks to Blast Wave, a stun from
,
Dragon's Breath
makes the opponent disoriented and you get mobile casting from Scorch as well as instant Pyroblast!s.
Arcane also has decent talents suited for PvP. I believe you can figure them out if you looked close enough.
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Post by
xavierpjg
Arcane tops 5-mans, Highest dps in them with just about the same utility as the other specs. U still have ring of frost and frost nova. Every main attack slows. You can raise the crit of another player and yourself.
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Post by
xavierpjg
Nether vortex useless? Its save you a gcd. Its just like glyphing arcane power for your burst phases. And we r talking about 5 man dungeons not raids. In raids yes you have to have minimal mistakes.
I've used both on 5 man when i was respeccing from frost because there was such a big debate between the 2. I'm still speced for both.
Both have their damage spurts. Fire can and will pull higher dps at times, But arcane is alot more consistant. Leading to more overall damage 75% of the time.
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Nathanyal
Nether vortex useless? Its save you a gcd. Its just like glyphing arcane power for your burst phases. And we r talking about 5 man dungeons not raids. In raids yes you have to have minimal mistakes.
It saves you a GCD if you are to cast Slow. But there isn't a reason to really cast slow in PvE unless for a specific situation, such as the adds on the last boss in Grim Batol. Any other time the tank puts a slow on the enemy making it somewhat pointless to put another on them.
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Korpimieli
Very interesting discussion!
It seems that there is debate over Arcane vs Fire, but Frost is not the choice of many. Am I right? It is interesting because I used to think Frost would bring more utility and survivability to the 5-man group than the other 2 specs.
If there is no extra utility in Frost, one should spec Arcane or Fire for more DPS in 5-mans, I would think.
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Korpimieli
Useful input, Zakkhar! But one more question: as I am abandoning Frost, which do you think is more tuned for PvP and soloing, Arcane or Fire? :)
(Although I ask a lot of questions, I still do some brainwork on my own and test the ideas!)
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