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Post by
Tartonga
If I put an item on the AH for 100g. And then log in with another character and put the same item for 150g on the AH. Would you consider that as a scam?
Post by
Jubilee
No, why would it be?
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91278
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Post by
Tartonga
The purpose is the same, it's just a different mechanic. You let the vicitm fall for the bait of not having to spend those extra 50g. On the OP's case, he is just logging with an alt and saying on trade chat: "WTB for 150g". You are not directly lying to anyone.
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Post by
lonewarrior
just like lying at poker. .
Poker is a game where "lying" is within the rules. Though honestly you don't see poker players saying "i have 2/7 off suit" they simply try not to let on what they have. In poker it is even expected, encouraged.
That's like saying that because it is within the rules to beat someone unconscious in boxing, that is ok elsewhere, say, on some random passerby on the street.
Rulesets matter. Scamming is against the rules in WoW. If you want to scam in an MMO go play EVE or Lineage2, it's encouraged.
If you guys think that poker is lying then I want to sit at table where you guys are playing :).
Poker is not about lying, it's about convincing the other players of your strength unseen.
(i.e. a dog barking behind a door. Your not sure how big it is so you have to decide if your going to chance opening the door or not.)
A lie is just a telling of an untruth ala the OP who says he wants to buy something when he really doesn't.
The trouble with the example of the OP is that I really don't have any sympathy for the buyer either.
That person went and bought something he didn't need just to profit himself. He could have just said "it's on the AH for 100 gold why would you pay more for it"
As for the OP..reeeaaaally ...you pay $15.00 a month to come up with this idea.O.o
Well one thing in this game I've instilled into my guild members for the longest time is "what goes around ...comes around".
Post by
MrSCH
Sinespe, I think the theory is the same.
WTB item for 150g. Person sees it for 100, great, bargain, purchase.
Person sees item for 100g, another for 150, thinks 100 is great bargain, purchases.
That's what Tartonga is saying and I agree. I don't care, I think #$%^ it it's virtual gold, but I agree.
Post by
ZombieJesus
HAHAHAHAHAHA
i just tried this with truegold and i sold a stack of two.
was so easy, people are desperate for truegold now anyways with the 365 weapons out so he can sell it.
Post by
Jubilee
Sinespe, I think the theory is the same.
WTB item for 150g. Person sees it for 100, great, bargain, purchase.
Person sees item for 100g, another for 150, thinks 100 is great bargain, purchases.
That's what Tartonga is saying and I agree. I don't care, I think #$%^ it it's virtual gold, but I agree.
Except in first case the person (because of your lie) thinks that he will be able to sell it, meaning that 100g is not a bargain, you just conned him into thinking it. In the second case if the only two on the AH are the 100g and the 150g then 100g is very much a bargain. If there are more 100-ish g items on the AH then that there is 150g one is a moot point anyways.
The whole morality of lying issue aside, I'm not sure how people are not seeing the difference between a lying and not lying. If you don't think lying is bad fine, that issue can be dealt with, but that doesn't change the fact that if you say you are willing to buy something and then don't follow through, you are lying.
Post by
MrSCH
I put an single
Peacebloom
on AH for 100g. I then put a single
Peacebloom
on AH for 150g.
100g still isn't a bargain.
Post by
Jubilee
If that's the entire supply of Peacebloom in the market, and there is a demand for Peacebloom, then the cheapest price is in fact the bargain price. That's how supply and demand works.
Try not to use ridiculous examples though, because in real life it's never the case that the demand drives the price of Peacebloom up that high, though I have seen it up to a good 45g a stack, which is quite high.
Post by
MrSCH
You still don't get it.
I'm talking about the Peacebloom coming from one person who intentionally prices an item high, and another higher, so the high one seems low. Wouldn't work with Peacebloom so... maybe not a great idea there ha.
Post by
Jubilee
What do you mean I don't get it? What you just explained is exactly how I've been reading you the entire time.
If you're the only supplier of Peacebloom, you become the sole price-setter, and that in turn determines the bargain price. You can artificially determine a temporary bargain price by doing exactly what you propose, though there is risk involved, especially when it comes to an easily obtainable product.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to control the market. Well that's not completely true, I believe there would be issue if it was a real life product that was necessary to live (for example food). But as far as commodities are concerned (which everything in WoW is) there is really no moral issue.
Post by
MrSCH
I'm still responding toThe purpose is the same, it's just a different mechanic. You let the vicitm fall for the bait of not having to spend those extra 50g. On the OP's case, he is just logging with an alt and saying on trade chat: "WTB for 150g". You are not directly lying to anyone.
Er. What? How is the purpose the same?
Post by
Jubilee
I can't speak for Sinespe because I don't know him, but I don't think that makes my points in response to your question any less valid.
Post by
MrSCH
If I place an item on the AH, and someone only buys it because I put another on for even more money, that is a similar - if not the same - concept as putting an item on the ah for 100g, and then creating another character and saying "WTB item x for 150g". It's trying to make people buy the 100g item by thinking it's a bargain when it may or may not be.
Also, what question? I don't have a question >.<
Post by
Jubilee
You need to ask why they are bargains. In the first, 100g is a bargain because there is a demand for the item beyond the current market price of 100g. Except that demand is you lying and refusing to follow up on that demand you made in the market. In the second, 100g is a bargain because it's the cheapest you can get the item. Whether you have more up for more gold is pretty irrelevant except for whatever psychology is in play. If someone has a need for the item to the point where they are willing to accept the market's value of 100g, then they'll buy it.
And what do you mean what question? The one you just quoted yourself asking. "Er. What? How is the purpose the same?"
Post by
MrSCH
Please, ignore the 100g.
the big thing, since this is about scamming, is the 150g item. Is that scamming? To intentionally place something 50g higher, so they buy your thing 50g lower?
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