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Post by
MrSCH
Maybe I'm morally barren?
I can weigh up everyone's points, see what everyone's saying and still come out with.. Meh. It's a game.
That's not to antagonise or to be a troll, that's just my personal opinion. I won't go out of my way to scam anyone, but should someone do it to me? Meh. My own fault, probably. Learn from it.
Post by
Tartonga
Maybe I'm morally barren?
I can weigh up everyone's points, see what everyone's saying and still come out with.. Meh. It's a game.
That's not to antagonise or to be a troll, that's just my personal opinion. I won't go out of my way to scam anyone, but should someone do it to me? Meh. My own fault, probably. Learn from it.
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Post by
lonewarrior
No I don't Sinespe.
Because what happens in a video game doesn't matter in real life, I can't understand how people can think otherwise.
I don't quite grasp people thinking like this.
Does that toon on your screen have a mind of it's own. Is it the one talking in trade chat or vent.
The actions perpetrate are yours and yours alone. Scamming in a game may not cause real life injury..but that was never the point..the action is about defining who you are.
People who throw temper tantrums in a raid can be counted on to throw tantrums in real life as well.
People willing to cheat other people in a game have the disposition to cheat outside the game as well.
People who play this game with a sense of decency are that way because they were brought up that way in real life.
You are who you are whether you wear a mask or show your true face.
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Post by
Squishalot
I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Definitely wouldn't call it immoral though. Terrorism is immoral. Murder, that's immoral.
This?
Video game.
Is lying or manipulation immoral?
Using a the stock market for a comparative example. In the first scenario it would be akin to a stockbroker saying he is buying up all shares of a particular company for X amount, without revealing he has shares at the lower price. His lies will cause a rush to buy that stock making the price go up and him dumping his shares. He then rescinds his offer and the buyers are left holding stocks afterwards. He played on their greed.
This is a well known boiler room tactic which the OP in essence is trying to employ.
There's a very good reason why there are market rules and regulations around a) public offers, b) short selling, and c) offer/acceptance contract laws.
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lonewarrior
I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Definitely wouldn't call it immoral though. Terrorism is immoral. Murder, that's immoral.
This?
Video game.
Is lying or manipulation immoral?
Using a the stock market for a comparative example. In the first scenario it would be akin to a stockbroker saying he is buying up all shares of a particular company for X amount, without revealing he has shares at the lower price. His lies will cause a rush to buy that stock making the price go up and him dumping his shares. He then rescinds his offer and the buyers are left holding stocks afterwards. He played on their greed.
This is a well known boiler room tactic which the OP in essence is trying to employ.
There's a very good reason why there are market rules and regulations around a) public offers, b) short selling, and c) offer/acceptance contract laws.
Using a the stock market for a comparative example. In the first scenario it would be akin to a stockbroker saying he is buying up all shares of a particular company for X amount, without revealing he has shares at the lower price. His lies will cause a rush to buy that stock making the price go up and him dumping his shares. He then rescinds his offer and the buyers are left holding stocks afterwards. He played on their greed.
This is a well known boiler room tactic which the OP in essence is trying to employ.
There's a very good reason why there are market rules and regulations around a) public offers, b) short selling, and c) offer/acceptance contract laws.
With an automated trading system, there are literally milliseconds between offers being made and matched. Someone trying to make such a scam would be burnt less than a second after making the offer. There is almost no latency between offering to buy the 'fiddle' and having actually bought the 'fiddle'.
Thus it is a perfectly legal thing to do, to give your money away like that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiler_Room_%28film%29
A very good movie about pump and dump tactics used in the stock market.
If you still don't think it is going on today in a different variant...be like saying old fashion multi-level ponzi schemes don't happen anymore...can anyone say "Madoff"
As long as there is gullibility..there will always be people around to pray upon it. Regulations or not.
What is trying to be examined in this thread is whether being gullible is considered being a victim.
We've all came across someone who fell for those fake communiques about free mounts or suspended account that cause players to respond and get their accounts compromised.
Some may view this as a terrible act by the "scammer" and others will fault the player for being gullible.
If someone robbed from the blind because they couldn't be identified...it would easy to take a side. But when the weakness isn't of a physical nature but mental...then the line becomes a somewhat blurry. This debate can go on forever on both sides...so it comes down to again what actions define you.
If the OP can log on and pull off his idea...the actions don't define his victim as gullible since he doesn't even know that person...it defines the OP and who he is and in truth it only matters what you think of yourself.
You come into this world with two things that are truly yours...integrity and honesty. Only you can dispose of them and once that happens...your hard pressed to ever get them back.
So to each his own conscience to live with.
Post by
Atik
No I don't Sinespe.
Because what happens in a video game doesn't matter in real life, I can't understand how people can think otherwise.
I don't quite grasp people thinking like this.
Does that toon on your screen have a mind of it's own. Is it the one talking in trade chat or vent.
The actions perpetrate are yours and yours alone. Scamming in a game may not cause real life injury..but that was never the point..the action is about defining who you are.
People who throw temper tantrums in a raid can be counted on to throw tantrums in real life as well.
People willing to cheat other people in a game have the disposition to cheat outside the game as well.
People who play this game with a sense of decency are that way because they were brought up that way in real life.
You are who you are whether you wear a mask or show your true face.
This isn't true...
My in game personallity can change drastically depending on what character I am on.
Post by
mixter
You could look at it this way:
That person that is going to buy your wares isn't telling you that they are cheaper on the AH , so technically he's trying to scam YOU , and then the tables turn and you scam him!
So this can only scam people that scam other people.
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ZombieJesus
177 posts.
Damn Wowhead, you scary.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##This would fall under "completely useless posts" mentioned under spamming in the .
Post by
MrSCH
Just goes to show, if someone doesn't agree with you, you want people to know it :D
Post by
Tartonga
If the third party is in collusion with you/someone, and is just saying "WTB" in order to dupe someone/you into buying the item off the AH, then yes. If it's an independent third party, then, no -- it's just bad luck.
Then, I ask you: how do you know when it's bad luck and when you are being scammed? Hypothetically, you can't know if you are being scammed or not. Why would you feel disappointed then (besides of buying an item that you don't need)?
Seriously. This really isn't hard to grasp. If there is intent to deceive, it's a scam. If there isn't, it isn't. I feel like I'm bashing my head against a brick wall here. You keep coming up with these analogies that completely miss the point or leave out elements of the original situation.
It's because I'm making new points, if you didn't realize already.
Post by
Rammstein
I don't understand. It's a scam according to the Blizzard rules, it's a scam "according" to logic, it's even a scam according to law (as stated above it's the an old type of scam, just that it's set in the world of Azeroth), what do you need more? Why are we going in circles?
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