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Warrior DPS - Should I Even Bother
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Post by
zenamerican
Hello All
I'm a lvl 85 arms warrior who plays pvp. I'm wanting to join dugeons but every time I do
... well not every - but seriously like 85 percent of the time people get all crazy on me.
I sign up for DPS but they expect me to Tank. When i don't that's when they go crazy.
My question is perhaps I'm not doing something right as DPS. Dumb question but simple one
what is my main job as DPS? I thought once the Tank Agro's the mobs I get in there and bladestorm them down. But I always feel like people are freaking out on me.
Is that just the nature of PVe play or should I do something else?
So I'm happy to read, so 1) where do I learn about DPS roles as a warrior?
2) Should I even bother trying - please tell me honestly if your in a dungeon and I pop up
are you most likely going to expect me to Tank? And if don't are you going to get more agro on me
than a room full of whelps
Just looking for some feedback/help
Thanks!(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##Since you are asking for specifically Warrior-based advice I've moved your thread over to that forum.
Best of luck with PvE.
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pnkflffytutu
Warrior Forums perhaps?
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Post by
zenamerican
So i'm going though all the guides and videos on Warrior PVE DPS
what I'm trying get info on is ...
When do I attack as DPS. Its not clear to me how to play off tank.
Once tank is gathering mobs what is my cue to jump in and DPS?
And I've been reading I should not use things like bladestorm and thunderclap to arrgo other stuff by accident.
So if someone could please advise me
as to what my cue is to jump in there
thanks!
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Post by
marklartank
Just to double check but both tank and dps are checked as the default. If you don't uncheck tank and queue for LFD, you will be put in as the tank and people will get a bit cranky if you refuse as they figure you were doing it for the fast queue time but refuse to do the job.
yes, definitely verify that you ONLY have the dps check box checked. you may be accidentally queuing as a tank.
for bladestorm, you should wait for a while before using it. i consider it safe when they're about 1/2 dead.
when the tank pulls, target him and see which mob he's targeting. then hit "F" to automatically target his target. that's the one you should start out on.
Post by
Manilas
Ok, I haven't played in a while but here's a run down on how I did as Arms Dps.
(First, get the addon Omen Threat Meter, it will be usefull to judge your how much you can release your full capabilites later on).
When entering the Dungeon, identify the Tank as soon as possible. If you have time, check his Health Points and inspect him. Try to see what type of gear he has (All Blues, mixed Blues/Purples, all purples, ....). The better items he has, the better he will be (it doesn't mean he WILL be good but better items helps idiots with no skill lol).
Than, on first pull, let him grab initial aggro (and let him pull back if any targets are CC'ed). Wait about 2 or 3 seconds (you can even count them). Then charge at his main target (some Tanks will mark them with a Skull, others you will have to find his primary target by tabbing and finding the target with most threat on it). DON'T DO ANY AOE (Thunderclap, Bladestorm, Sweeping Strikes) on this pull unless you are absolutely sure you know that whatever you do, the Tank can keep them (such as you ran with this Tank before and you know what HE is capable of). Just do some basic rotations (Rend, Mortal Strike, Overpower on proc, Slam if you have low rage or Heroic Strike if you have high rage, reset to Mortal Strike).
That first pull will judge your threat versus his threat. Most times, Tanks have 100% threat on his main target and around 50% of his primary target threat on other targets. If you don't generate much threat compared to his, than start unleashing (using Colossus Smash, Cleave, Inner Rage, Heroic Throw, Shattering Throw). If even there your still low compared to his threat, than you can go all out with Bladestorm and Sweeping Strikes (somes says don't use them together. It's true it causes a tons of threat combined together, thus why many people call it aggrostorm, but they are devastating together).
That's about it. Always check your Omen, it's your best friend.
Also, you were talking about off tanking. Even though off Tanks are not needed in 5 man Dungeons, I always considered myself an off Tank (since warriors are one of the 3 Dps class with high armor). Such as, if by any chance, one of the Dps ever did to much aggro to a target and got aggro on it, I always used Taunt or jumped on that target to pull him back to the Tank so that the Tank could get back a hold on it.
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Post by
Cambo
When in doubt, look at what the other dps are doing. Engage when someone else does. Stick to single target DPS unless everyone else is aoeing.
Threat isn't as black and white as many players believe.
I find on my Arms warrior I need to wait up to 8 seconds before charging in after the pull, or until the tank gets sufficient threat.
Even then, most other DPS classes (especially ranged) have the liberty to pretty much cast as the tank moves to pull, and I still end up winning on threat.
With the warrior class, it feels right to have some threat because we are mad, berserking killers. We do alot of damage, and damage generates threat. The tank just needs to work on generating more threat than us. That's part of the tank's job.
We also haven't got many tools to dump threat, such as a Rogue's Vanish. So just DPS what the tank is targeting and work with what you have.
Post by
cefm
Since you said you'd been doing PVP primarily I understand that it's a bit of a change. The other comments (esp. the one about making sure you didn't have the "tank" box checked on RDF) have been on point. Some kind of threat-meter (Omen) is a must for all DPS just so you can stop before it's too late.
Unless you checked the "tank" shield on the RDF it's totally unfair for folks to ask you to tank. But you might want to bring a shield/1h along just in case the tank dies or ragequits so you can do a few trash-pulls (if the healer's OK with it) while you wait for a new tank to join.
Main thing is to WAIT until the Tank has grabbed as much as he wants and established aggro. If uncertain, let the ranged dps start shooting first before you join. Even with Charge you'll still probably be the last at the party. One simple tactic is just don't use Charge to enter, that way you'll never be early. Don't forget your MAIN job is to help the tank kill his primary target so he stops getting hit by that one. Follow his lead by targeting him and hitting "F" if he hasn't marked them himself.
I usually start off with Rend and then use MS/HS before thinking of sneaking in a Cleave. Don't get too cleave or bladestorm happy though. Not a bad thing to change focus periodically to put Rend up on the other members of the pack, but switch around quickly to make sure they don't focus on you. Finally, when one of the mobs (should be Tank's target) is getting low, put a Hamstring on him to make sure he doesn't run for friends. If a mob peels off to attack ranged/healer, give the tank a chance to re-grab aggro but if not it's your job to grab aggro off the softies and pray.
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