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Post by
alexko9
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/norgannon/Sharaknight/advanced
i know i have no enchants really lazy with this guy as hes my 3rd on the importance scale of my 3 85s.
But all things aside i pull 18k on bosses and just wondering is that alright for my gear?
Im thinking of enchanting this guy but a lil low on money to just go around wasting it on this guy, but once i get some money for enchants u guys think cheap ones would get me another 1k dps? maybe 2?
Post by
Trishi
Generally, skill > equipment. You most likely wont squeze out 1 or 2 k more dps just by enchanting, but rather by improving your playstyle. I somehow find it hard to believe you pull that much, but I haven't really seen any competent DKs lately, so I don't really have anything to compare to. That may be what decent DKs actually do at that gear level...
So if you are telling the truth, keep at it. I know I'd love to meet people who pull that in the RDF. Despite ridiculous gear levels, people seem to be too lazy to bother, and just dish out a mere 10 k, 15 if I'm lucky. Lazy bastards >_>
Post by
alexko9
So if you are telling the truth, keep at it. I know I'd love to meet people who pull that in the RDF. Despite ridiculous gear levels, people seem to be too lazy to bother, and just dish out a mere 10 k, 15 if I'm lucky. Lazy bastards >_>
while doing FL trash i compete with 359 hunters but can only outdish their 22k on big pulls :/
Post by
Trishi
Wait, you get outperformed by hunters? As a frost DK?
This is coming from someone who obviously doesn't know enough about Frost DKs priorities. Check the above post for someone with actual knowledge on the subject
You should HB more. A lot more. The only ones I have seen outperform frost on AoE pulls, is Feral Druids, but their Swipe is horribly OP at the moment, so that's no wonder. I admit, my current idea of frost AoE is pretty much HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->(You get the idea)
I could be terribly mistaken, but even while running around with my silly off-spec frost, that I'm not terribly sure of how works, I can easily top the meters on AoE by HB spamming. I haven't really seen any amazing Hunter AoE so far :/
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138583
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Post by
Trishi
I admit, my current idea of frost AoE is pretty much HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->(You get the idea)
I could be terribly mistaken, but even while running around with my silly off-spec frost, that I'm not terribly sure of how works, I can easily top the meters on AoE by HB spamming. I haven't really seen any amazing Hunter AoE so far :/
You are.
Frost DK with full runes has 2 death and 2 frost runes. That mean he can HB only 4 times and he is left over with 2 unholy runes and single disease on mobs. You can use 1 unholy rune for death and decay and the other for plague strike (but u need to save one death rune for pestilence).
Now using all those skills while meleeing one target gives you two things - runic power and KM procs. You use them for frost strikes, that produce you runes faster than the cooldowns.
SV hunter aoe is double trap (explosive, frost) while spamming Multi shot/Cobra and mouseover spreading (four) free explosive shots from LnL procs.
Both depend on how long the pack stays alive which is derived from packs health and the amount of competitive aoe dps in a group.
PS: Both can be easily beaten by a druid who pops berserking/tiger fury and spams swipe, the difference is druid will most likely pull agro while none of the above will.
PS2: Your dps isnt anywhere close to good. But neither is your gear. Frost DK skill cap in 5mans is pretty low, though.
I stand corrected it seems. I just never see groups alive for too long, so I suspected diseases were a waste of time (In 5-mans, at least). *shrug* Recount also seems to rank HB as
the
most destructive attack, so I was just assuming that spamming that would be sufficient for huge amounts of damage. I'll edit the previous post to prevent confusion :P
Oh, and the massive damage swipe can do, especially with the 2 cds, is one of the times where we use Survival Instincts :P
Post by
alexko9
I admit, my current idea of frost AoE is pretty much HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->(You get the idea)
I could be terribly mistaken, but even while running around with my silly off-spec frost, that I'm not terribly sure of how works, I can easily top the meters on AoE by HB spamming. I haven't really seen any amazing Hunter AoE so far :/
You are.
Frost DK with full runes has 2 death and 2 frost runes. That mean he can HB only 4 times and he is left over with 2 unholy runes and single disease on mobs. You can use 1 unholy rune for death and decay and the other for plague strike (but u need to save one death rune for pestilence).
Now using all those skills while meleeing one target gives you two things - runic power and KM procs. You use them for frost strikes, that produce you runes faster than the cooldowns.
SV hunter aoe is double trap (explosive, frost) while spamming Multi shot/Cobra and mouseover spreading (four) free explosive shots from LnL procs.
Both depend on how long the pack stays alive which is derived from packs health and the amount of competitive aoe dps in a group.
PS: Both can be easily beaten by a druid who pops berserking/tiger fury and spams swipe, the difference is druid will most likely pull agro while none of the above will.
PS2: Your dps isnt anywhere close to good. But neither is your gear. Frost DK skill cap in 5mans is pretty low, though.
huh idk know if u read my stuff right i said that i can only beat the 359 hunters 22k+ on big pulls, meaning on single target i cant get them but when it comes to pulls that are 3+ people then i start being beast
btw u should open with that spell that puts all your diseases on a target then pestilence then spam HB, and after that D&D and blood tap, also i took your post as in insult, you sorta thought i dont know how to play, and my question was is my dps good with the gear i have or should i be doing more. And as a frost dk im more proud of my single target/boss dps then the one button spaming aoe!
thanks for at least telling me that my dps is somewhat good for my terrible gear that im too lazy to do anything with cause i have a druid healer who can get into any normal raid no problem!
oh and also in dungeons i can prolly pull a bit more since the 15% damage buff if i have a paladin/druid or both in the party, i was talking more raid damage (only done the BH bosses on the dk but still)
so if i could please ask in all your politness to the community next time READ what i wrote instead of trying to make a joke of me!
I know how to play, i know my gear is not the greatest and needs enchants but im too lazy, but all i asked is if for my gear my dps is good and you gave me a lecture about hunter aoe vs dks vs druids, thx
Post by
Trishi
I admit, my current idea of frost AoE is pretty much HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->HB->(You get the idea)
I could be terribly mistaken, but even while running around with my silly off-spec frost, that I'm not terribly sure of how works, I can easily top the meters on AoE by HB spamming. I haven't really seen any amazing Hunter AoE so far :/
You are.
Frost DK with full runes has 2 death and 2 frost runes. That mean he can HB only 4 times and he is left over with 2 unholy runes and single disease on mobs. You can use 1 unholy rune for death and decay and the other for plague strike (but u need to save one death rune for pestilence).
Now using all those skills while meleeing one target gives you two things - runic power and KM procs. You use them for frost strikes, that produce you runes faster than the cooldowns.
SV hunter aoe is double trap (explosive, frost) while spamming Multi shot/Cobra and mouseover spreading (four) free explosive shots from LnL procs.
Both depend on how long the pack stays alive which is derived from packs health and the amount of competitive aoe dps in a group.
PS: Both can be easily beaten by a druid who pops berserking/tiger fury and spams swipe, the difference is druid will most likely pull agro while none of the above will.
PS2: Your dps isnt anywhere close to good. But neither is your gear. Frost DK skill cap in 5mans is pretty low, though.
huh idk know if u read my stuff right i said that i can only beat the 359 hunters 22k+ on big pulls, meaning on single target i cant get them but when it comes to pulls that are 3+ people then i start being beast
btw u should open with that spell that puts all your diseases on a target then pestilence then spam HB, and after that D&D and blood tap, also i took your post as in insult, you sorta thought i dont know how to play, and my question was is my dps good with the gear i have or should i be doing more. And as a frost dk im more proud of my single target/boss dps then the one button spaming aoe!
thanks for at least telling me that my dps is somewhat good for my terrible gear that im too lazy to do anything with cause i have a druid healer who can get into any normal raid no problem!
oh and also in dungeons i can prolly pull a bit more since the 15% damage buff if i have a paladin/druid or both in the party, i was talking more raid damage (only done the BH bosses on the dk but still)
so if i could please ask in all your politness to the community next time READ what i wrote instead of trying to make a joke of me!
I know how to play, i know my gear is not the greatest and needs enchants but im too lazy, but all i asked is if for my gear my dps is good and you gave me a lecture about hunter aoe vs dks vs druids, thx
It was a reply to me. I gave false information, and he corrected me. I just assumed, since you said you had issues, that you must be using the wrong rotations. A few enchants or gear improvements wont make you top the charts. That's what skill does (And evidently, I don't have enough of it.) That being said, 350 is not a crappy item level to be at, unless you are progressing through Firelands, which, by the sounds of it, you aren't.
And good you can tell the difference between your personal dps and the RDF dps. Some people outright blame a 4-man pre-made group for them being bad, because they lack the 15 % dps buff...
Post by
swordsmen
just try your best and enjoy your game,just a game,enjoy it plz!
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