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367020
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Post by
xaratherus
Except that wasn't what I was saying, nor why I was pointing it out. It IS a
logical fallacy.
...What I suggest is that such things are open to discussion, not that everyone must accept that they do (or might) exist. You're putting words in my mouth.
I apologize for putting words in your mouth; you're right, that's not what you said.
That's fantastic. Not all belief systems carry a "nonbeliever penalty," and the effect is similar to not believing in the Higgs-Boson particle. I realize we live in a world that has been heavily influenced by Christian thought, but it's not the end-all and be-all of religious thought, and these sorts of analogies fall flat in the face of gods who don't care two wits about you.
Which is why I didn't propose to apply it to them; the analogy would not make sense in relation to, say, branches of the Wiccan faith, Buddhism, even certain branches of Christianity. But "Hell-doctrine" Christianity is the religion in which I was raised, and the predominant religion with which I'm confronted on a regular basis, thus it was the one toward which I reached for the analogy.
Post by
Orranis
You're putting words in my mouth.
*Cough*
Not really; there is little evidence to show that they do actually exist, and are more likely to be lies that people formulated to explain things that they didn't understand; for example a
Manticore
=
Lion
or a
Centaur
=
Men riding Horses
Absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence. That's what we call a logical fallacy. It is, unfortunately, the most common logical fallacy used by atheists.
Words mouth in?
Post by
Monday
You're putting words in my mouth.
*Cough*
Not really; there is little evidence to show that they do actually exist, and are more likely to be lies that people formulated to explain things that they didn't understand; for example a
Manticore
=
Lion
or a
Centaur
=
Men riding Horses
Absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence. That's what we call a logical fallacy. It is, unfortunately, the most common logical fallacy used by atheists.
Words mouth in?
I think you're misunderstanding what they're talking about.
Post by
Orranis
I think you're misunderstanding what they're talking about.
No I realized it, I just felt kind of straw-manned. But the comment that started the debate was in and of itself putting words in mouths, nobody ever said that the lack of evidence for was evidence against, they stated that the lack of evidence for means would should look for other more logical conclusions. So when the words in mouth card was played...
Tagra activated my trap card?
Post by
Monday
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/003/406/my_trap_card.jpg?1280732019
Post by
367020
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Post by
gnomerdon
I'll put any deck to sleep with my machina fortress / gadgets.
Post by
Atik
I'll put any deck to sleep with my machina fortress / gadgets.
DAD...
That thing was unstoppable.
Post by
gnomerdon
Follow the banlist please..... Gadgets are still supreme
Post by
Atik
I haven't played in forever.
Last I knew, DAD and Lightslayers were Roflstomping everything.
Post by
Adamsm
Not the place for this type of discussion.
Post by
Orranis
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/003/406/my_trap_card.jpg?1280732019
Ha! I love that image.
Going from "There is little to no evidence" to "they are
more likely
to be lies" is pretty much saying the lack of evidence means they don't exist. If that's not what was intended, apologies.
I emboldened the important part. If you wanted to change your statement to, "Absence of evidence is not 'more likely that it doesn't exist than that it does,'" I don't think anyone would agree with you. I think we can all agree with the statement "If there is no evidence for something it is most likely untrue."
Post by
Adamsm
Not everyone would.
Post by
367020
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Post by
Skreeran
I think we can all agree with the statement "If there is no evidence for something it is most likely untrue."
Maybe? The more accurate statement would be "If there is no evidence for something, I simply don't know whether it exists or not."But by the same card, if I don't know whether it exists or not, why should I treat it as if it did?
If there's no evidence for it, and it has no visible effect on the universe, then for all practical purposes it might as well not exist.
Post by
Atik
I think we can all agree with the statement "If there is no evidence for something it is most likely untrue."
Maybe? The more accurate statement would be "If there is no evidence for something, I simply don't know whether it exists or not."
Just asking something here:
What would you say if I told you I believed 9/11 was a hoax because there is no evidence that the planes weren't remote control, the buildings weren't empty, the bodies weren't fake, and the victim's families and emergency response teams weren't actors.
Add to that, if I wanted you to discuss 9/11 as if it was fake because there was no evidence against it being fake.
(No, I don't actually believe this. I'm not
that
crazy.)
Post by
367020
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Post by
Atik
There is no direct evidence that a divine being created everything we know over the course of six days. There is, however, substantial evidence in favor of actions like the big bang creating the universe and billions of years of the earth slowly forming and evolution leading to the creation of all the species we know.
There is no direct evidence of supernatural beings being magical in any way. It is more logical that there are some sort of scientific explanation for their exsistance and/or most of their actions.
You offer up the arguement we have no evidence of fair folk, so most people simply go about their lives as if they didn't. But there is no evidence of divine beings or ghosts/angels/demons/ect, but most people live their lives as if they exsist and expect others to do the same.
Post by
Adamsm
Magic is merely another type of science.
Hey, no one has said it yet, so figured I'd be the first.
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