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WTBaggrodump
I also plan on hopping back into WoW (via Cata) with both feet, as I've been on a hiatus a short bit after 4.0 dropped (early december) so I know the daunting feeling of all the new things coming up to smack me in the face. Namely, the new mechanics, the 81/83/85 abilities, and having to relearn what every class is capable of (Raiding/PvPing). Not to mention reading talent trees, but I think I have that down at least. Anywho, on with helping joo!
Mastery + Avoidance: Don't Reforge
Mastery + Threat: Reforge threat stat to Dodge
Avoidance + Avoidance: Reforge the higher rating on the item to mastery; if equal, reforge Parry to Mastery
Avoidance + Threat: Reforge threat stat to Mastery
Red: Parry + Mastery Gem (Fine cut)
Yellow or Prismatic: Mastery Gem (Fractured cut)
Blue: Mastery + Stamina Gem (Puissant cut)
Keep your Character Sheet parry % at about 0% to 1% higher than the dodge % (i.e. 10% dodge would be 10% to 11% parry). Reforge the parry from your Mastery/Parry items to equalize this number.
A direct quote from Porcell's most helpful profile. This should give you a better idea of what you should be doing. Now the easy part is getting the badass gear, right? :P
As for the actual reasons behind the diminishing returns, I'm not capable of giving you the correct answer. I have a hard enough time understanding it on my own! Best of luck.
P.S. The thread that includes helpful info about diminishing returns is located
here
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Porcell
The thought behind keeping your dodge and parry even is to minimize diminishing returns. Diminishing returns is basically that the more avoidance you have, the less each rating point does for you.
Example:
With 1000 dodge rating you would have 5.43% dodge, while the "expected" value is 5.66%, so you are losing 0.23% to diminishing returns, and your Dodge Rating is 95.94% effective.
With 2000 dodge rating you would have 10.03% dodge, while the "expected" value is 11.32%, so you are losing 1.29% to diminishing returns, and your Dodge Rating is 88.6% effective.
Your dodge and parry see the same DR formula. So, if you have 1000 dodge rating and 2000 parry rating, then your dodge rating is being 95.94% effective while your parry is being 88.6% effective. If you evened out that number so both were 1500 rating, you would have 7.82% to each (8.49% expected) for 0.67% lost to each (1.34% lost total instead of 1.52%) and each being 92.1% effective.
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WTBaggrodump
^~ Yeah, that. :3
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Porcell
Nope, Parry and Dodge are equal now.
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Porcell
Ty Porcell. that was very helpful.
So instead of the old "soft caps" for stats like defensive rating i just need to keep avoidance even to maximize it's effectiveness and reforge the extra into mastery. I think i got it.
See,...you can teach an old dog new tricks, ty
Yeah, you want to max out Mastery for a few reasons.
1) Mastery doesn't have diminishing returns.
2) Mastery is 1.5% block and 1.5% critical block for 179 rating, as opposed to only 1% avoidance for 176 dodge/parry rating. You get more "Combat Table Coverage" from Mastery.
3) Mastery smooths out incoming damage.
The goal is to get like 5% miss, 15% dodge, 15% parry, and 65% block. This means that you -never- get a full melee hit, you will always AT LEAST block 30% damage, often block 60% damage (crit block), or avoid it all.
Compare that to like 5% miss, 20% dodge, 20% parry, and 40% dodge. You would probably end up taking less total damage because you are avoiding more, but you would end up taking full unmitigated hits.
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ZombieJesus
Since you are talking about avoidance, a simple question. Why is the avoidance cap 102.4%? Shouldn't it simply be 100%? :O That's what I've read on most sites and I wonder if it is true or not, and why... Thanks and good luck with your warrior Thadin :)
I might be wrong but it's to factor in that bosses are on a higher level than you.
But that's just a wild guess.
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