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Reforging Avoidance to Mastery
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Post by
pezz
What is this I don't even
Let's assume you aren't just doing five mans over and over and over and over again and raid sometimes. Let's also assume you don't have super amazing block capped gear. Your stats are like this: Mastery > dodge/parry > stuff.
If it isn't called Mastery, dodge or parry, it falls in the stuff category.
Now, when you look at an item, don't put it into MrRobot, ask yourself the following questions:
Does it have Mastery/ an avoidance stat? If yes, do not reforge. If no, ask next question.
Does it have two avoidance stats? If yes, reforge the one you have more of overall on your gear into mastery. If no, ask next question.
Does it have Mastery and stuff? If so, reforge stuff into dodge or parry, whichever you have less of overall. If no, ask next question.
Does it have avoidance and stuff? If so, reforge stuff into mastery, if no, ask next question.
Does it have a lot of stuff? If so, it isn't a tank item.
Sometimes, a holistic approach is good. Ask MrRobot can help you look at your gear holistically to ensure you don't miss something. When dealing with something as simple as prot reforging, the holistic approach aided by a website is really just an excuse not to follow a simple flowchart.
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Post by
Onijitsu
Mastery>Dodge=Parry>Stuff
Got it.
Basically. Dodge is still very slightly better than Parry, according to the Tankadin experts.
And you'll usually (right now) have a lot more Parry on your stuff than Dodge. Even if you reforge all of your Parry into something else. I definitely did. I finally stopped even gemming to add to my Parry at all, and went with almost entirely
Puissant Dream Emerald
s as anything not in a yellow slot. (Yellow got
Fractured Amberjewel
)
Some might criticize this, of course... and I'm more into the Holy side of things... but I had something around 12% Dodge, 15% Parry and 44-45% Block. (from Mastery) All very nice stats for dealing with physical damage. While, more Stam is about your only option (other than magical resistances and other abilities) to deal with magic damage.
The stupid thing is "stam stacking" to the exclusion of the other abilities, like you are going to step into ICC for the first time ever. (Icecrown Citadel, in WotLK, had a debuff against avoidance stats, and so "Meat Shields" ruled the day... healers spammed to keep them up, and that's how it all worked. It doesn't work in Cataclysm, as much as some wannabes want it to in half of the ZA/ZG dungeons I heal these days.)
>.<
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Post by
Raleandris
(Icecrown Citadel, in WotLK, had a debuff against avoidance stats, and so "Meat Shields" ruled the day...
No. No. No. You stacked stam in Wrath because tanks had so much avoidance from gear alone (I had ~72% by the character sheet before DR, and that was gemmed full stam with 2 armor trinkets) that bosses had to hit so hard to make healing even remotely challenging. Therefore, you stacked stam to counteract getting 2 shot. As an example, H LK on 25man was hitting tanks for ~50 - 60k with melee swings alone. The dodge debuff had nothing to do with stam stacking. Tanks had been doing that since Ulduar.
Sorry, that's just a misconception that really bothers me. The debuff did nothing (or at least nothing major enough) to affect the value of avoidance. 1% of avoidance outside of ICC was still 1% of avoidance inside ICC.
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Post by
TheRealAzoth
Does it have Mastery/ an avoidance stat? If yes, do not reforge. If no, ask next question.
I'm not sure this is always the case.
If I have 17% dodge and 15% parry and I have a piece of gear with mastery and dodge, I can reforge the dodge to parry and get more out of it by keeping my avoidance at a closer gap.You are absolutely correct. When reforging pezz's suggestions are definetly the order to go with the only exception being;
Does it have Mastery/ an avoidance stat? If yes, do not reforge. If no, ask next question.Should go more like;
Does it have Mastery / an avoidance stat? If Yes, is the avoidance greater the the alternate avoidance stat? If Yes then reforge the avoidance stat.
Basically if the item has Mastery / Parry and you have 2% more parry than dodge, reforge the parry into dodge to bring the percentages closer together. The difference really is only like 0.01-0.03% additional avoidance by not having as much DR on the higher stat.
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Post by
Patty
On the items reforged from dodge to mastery (helm, for example) -I would say that it's probably best to reforge parry --> mastery instead, so you get a more balanced dodge : parry ratio.
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Post by
Asylu
Having your avoidance balanced to prevent diminishing returns is far better that a few extra points of mastery for overall performance as a tank. Keeping dodge and parry balanced is important for trink procs and /or pops such as
Vial of Stolen Memories
or
Bedrock Talisman
so you get the maximum benefit from them.
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120504
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Post by
pezz
That post makes it sound like it's better to just mindlessly stack mastery than agonize over avoidance balance.
Post by
Raleandris
That post makes it sound like it's better to just mindlessly stack mastery than agonize over avoidance balance.
Realistically, it is. Diminishing Returns are not the curbstomping faeries they were at the end of Wrath. The miniscule amount of avoidance you'd lose out on to DR compared to extra mastery you'd gain should, in most cases, be more worth it.
Post by
hatman555
Realistically, it is. Diminishing Returns are not the curbstomping faeries they were at the end of Wrath. The miniscule amount of avoidance you'd lose out on to DR compared to extra mastery you'd gain should, in most cases, be more worth it.
Basically right. Focus on reforging the biggest things you can to mastery with little regard to the balancing of dodge and parry. Once you reach 102.4 then you can balance by reforging differently.
Maybe someone else can find the post. Its got to be far back because I looked quickly and I couldn't find it. It talked about how much rating points you were losing per % of difference. I think I worked it out to be something like at 3% difference your only losing out on 20 or so rating points of avoidance because of diminishing returns.
I'll try and take another look later. Damn Wowhead and not being able to see history past 250.
Cheers,
Hat
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