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Post by
fearbefore
Hey, everyone.
I recently decided to start PvPing on my rogue. I leveled it to 85 for something to do, then did a small amount of PvE as Assassination, but finally decided to go full PvP as Sub. My gear isn't too bad, but it's not great, either. My main is a Resto Shaman who I PvP with, so I spend more time on him than my rogue. Basically, i'm not a complete idiot when it comes to rogues in PvP, but i'm definitely no master, either.
This is my rogue --
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/mannoroth/Category/simple
I have two Sub specs, one which is based off of Hemo spam, and the other which is for Backstab. Now, I have 3 questions.
First, with the Backstab spec, is it better to go 3 points in Puncturing Wounds, rather than 1 there and 2 in Improved Recuperate? I am at 3.6k resil, and i'm just curious if it's beneficial to drop that survivability, for extra damage?
Second is based off of tips for PvP encounters. I do really well against everything EXCEPT Frost Mages and Arms Warriors. Now, if I can force a Frost Mage into blink, it's pretty much over, because I can counter with shadowstep and have them right where I want them. But I find that Frost Mages are actually forcing ME into shadowstepping, then they just blink away and nuke me down.
This is how it goes: Sap, Premed, Garrote, then Hemo, then they usually nova me and get some distance (not blinking) and so I use 5 point Recup, because I believe frost mages do more damage to frozen targets, if I remember right? Basically, I feel like I open all right, I just can't close well. I get forced into smoke bomb and shadowstep before I really want to use them. Any tips from seasoned Sub Rogues would be awesome.
My third and LAST question is about Arms Warriors. I feel like they are my anti class. I don't know warriors that well, but if I recall, they gain health from Bleeds and Stuns, which is what the Sub spec is based around. Now, I understand Anti-classes, and I actually like the idea that there are certain classes you can't just push around. But, I know there are some sub rogues out there that are probably beating Warriors, so any tips would be AWESOME.
This is all based off of DUELING SITUATIONS. So keep that in mind.
Sorry for the long post, and all feedback is greatly, greatly appreciated.
Thanks! (:
P.S
Even if you guys could just point me in the direction of a very detailed sub guide for 4.2, then I can read up on tips on my own. But even the arena junkies webpage hasn't had many tips against those particular classes, from what I can tell.
Post by
MrSCH
I only know a few things bout warriors but it might help.
Save trink for throwdown
save disarm for reckstorm
dont forget SHIV SHIV
I like to blind and restealth when he's used heroic leap
save combat readiness for when you have used your vanish
try and kite - get 5 point rupture up, kite inside his charge range but outside melee. Hard with bad latency!
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Post by
Attis
get 5 point rupture up
Does subtlety use rupture for PVP?
Post by
MrSCH
get 5 point rupture up
Does subtlety use rupture for PVP?
Not always but warriors hit &*!@ing hard, so you wanna kite em as much as possible.
Post by
Modibybob
I'm assuming you are using CloS against the frost mages? If so, the glyph for it can also help against arms warriors.
Post by
Caperon
It'll be hard to find a guide on how to counter certain classes, since most pvp guides are based on arenas and/or bgs.
Post by
fearbefore
All the replies really helped.
Basically, I started opening with Cheap shot, rather than garrote. I know that might sound crazy, but it's been working for me. Cheap shot, 5 point Rupture, then instantly use CloS to make sure I can stick to the Mage. I just basically got a lot more aggressive agains them, and I am seeing a ton of improvements. It's nice.
I haven't tried to duel a warrior yet, but I plan on using a few of these techniques. I've never tried kiting a warrior, always stupidly tried going toe-to-toe with them, and that's an awful decision.
Thanks for all the help, guys. (:
EDIT:
I just noticed that it seems like a lot of mages are expecting the exact same openers from all rogues, so I decided to change it up with cheap shot and garrote. I use garrote after a vanish, restealth, or when I dance, though.
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Post by
StealthyKyrie
get 5 point rupture up
Does subtlety use rupture for PVP?
Not really, useful against other rogues to keep them from staying in stealth, and bleeds arent affected by armor, so its a plus. (Aka, not really it hits 'like a wet noddle' as someone said but has its uses if ya think about it)
save disarm for reckstorm
I love Dismantling their bladestorm. I just know the guy on the other end is doing a rageface.
Problem?
...i also find it funny that while using evasion against a warrior is a bad idea (overpower and all), it actually helps against bladestorm....if you get it good, youll dodge all his bladestorm strikes and basically just get free hits (i dunno if this has been changed or not...i just know that while it is an aoe its still considered melee so can be dodged)...i do dismantle them after tho...
Post by
Caperon
Actually i open on mages with cheap shot sometimes aswell.
It forces them into using an early blink, in which you can follow it up with a shadowstep + kidney shot -> Forcing an even bigger cd of them.
If they dont blink the cheap shot, well you get some free damage in there and might even be smart to pop shadow dance for an instant garrote + ambush spam.
Post by
Attis
Actually i open on mages with cheap shot sometimes aswell.
It forces them into using an early blink, in which you can follow it up with a shadowstep + kidney shot -> Forcing an even bigger cd of them.
If they dont blink the cheap shot, well you get some free damage in there and might even be smart to pop shadow dance for an instant garrote + ambush spam.
Frostbite
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