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DraconisAerius
Been mulling this over for a while but a dungeon I did on my lock last night really tore it for me. The second pack of elites, one of two packs before the drakes, in Grim Batol has a good 6-7 mobs, and with Rain of Fire, in full 359's and the 378 cloak, was doing 6k dps. Now I know blizz said they wanted to nerf AoE becuase that was all that people were using in Wrath, but to me it feels a bit rediculous that my single target rotation (because there are a few identical groups later in the dungeon and I tried this out) does mroe dps on a group of 6-7 mobs than AoE. Anyone else feel they over nerfed it?
Post by
asakawa
Well, Demo's AoE is very strong so Warlocks have options. Also (assuming you're Destro) there's more to Warlock AoE than one spell for any spec. For Destro you really need to be using Shadowflame and you want to have BoH on the highest health (or last to die) mob.
Likewise Affliction also wants to use Shadowflame and (AoE)CoE - in FL trash I can keep up with Sv Hunters as Affliction which is a bit of a surprise to me.
However, personally I feel that Demo is the best 5 man spec. AoE for trash, cooldowns for bosses. It's very strong indeed.
Regarding your questions though, I don't think they over nerfed it, I think the problem is that it got nerfed hard for some classes/specs and barely at all for others. I don't really mind where they decide "enough AoE" is, I just would like for that point to be a bit more consistent.
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DraconisAerius
I think asakawa (as usual lol) rephrased when I meant to say quite well. I don't have an issue with the aoe dps of some specs, but it would be nice if there was actually some consistancy over all the specs. It gets very frustrating to hear "If you want to do more aoe dps, go demo" every single time, since I hate demo. That's just a personal thing, and lets be honest here, Blizz keep saying they want people to have choices in the game, they want people to be having fun, but if people are being funneled into all doing the same thing, it's not fun.
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Post by
asakawa
No, this is a different issue to one of homogenisation.
Practically all DPS specs had high AoE damage in Wrath. There were a few that were particularly strong but not really any particularly weak. With Cataclysm, Blizzard announced that they didn't want people to AoE on anything over one target and along with making trash generally more difficult (requiring CC) they reduced AoE across the board.
However, they then increased it again for some specs and not at all for others, leaving us in a weird position for AoE damage.
Further to that point I strongly feel that AoE is a very bad role to be forced play as a spec (forced by having only that strength). This may not be such a terrible thing for a pure DPS class like us but what if Spriests were only good at AoE - they have no other options. It just isn't a big enough part of the game for that to be a good niche for anyone.
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asakawa
^_^ awesome.
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Post by
Philll
Like mentionned, use shadowflame and shadowfury on cd as well as bane of havoc.
Dont forget also to keep your imp soulfire up.
Aoe IS still rather painfull for destro ( i'm destro too ) but its still doing ok.
Thats what i like to play so i'm sticking to it regardless of what the flavor of the patch is.
Post by
DraconisAerius
My guild holds bets for top dps on the hill going up to Rhyo. Right now I'm at the top with 145k. Right behind me is a feral druid that gets in the 130's and we have a DK that gets in the 130's. I didn't think a DK could get that high.
I'm building a secret set of mastery gear with all mastery gems, reforges etc. So I hope to break 200k soon. Just got the robe of Beth last night. That will be BiS for my super secret set :P
I bet it was a frost dk spamming the hell out of Howling Blast.
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Post by
Nonom
Don't forget about Hellfire. Sure it's not as good as Demo's version, but Shadowflame + Shadowfury + Hellfire will still net decent numbers if it's safe to stand in melee range.
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DraconisAerius
That's part of my point, Hellfire does much better dps for me, but Blizz have said all along in cata that they want Destro to use RoF. They seriously need to buff RoF if they want us using it.
Post by
Philll
Wondering about hellfire...
Not sure a small gain in aoe dps is worth the extra heals needed to bring you back up.
I'm not talking about heroics instances which don't really matter but raid dmg should always be kept to a minimum so again,, wondering if its really a good choice.
Also uncertain about tab targeting/immolate. Sounds like a big waste of time to me.
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DraconisAerius
Destro's self healing via talents should negate any damage done by hellfire imo
Post by
Philll
Fair enuff, i'll surely give it a try.
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