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Post by
MrVolare
Sure the horde does elections, But the debate is held with axes and a trip to the ballot box can end in blood.
Recounts are just murder.
Silliness aside. Depending on how they execute it, I can see Nazgrim, Zaela, or Baine being made warchief. I think Lor'themar and Vol'jin are politically savvy enough to no want the job, as they are each too interested in the rejuvenation of their own peoples and Saurfang old enough to know better. They say it will be someone you aren't expecting, so I am looking at secondary characters.
For laughs though, I wouldn't mind seeing a goblin on the throne.
Post by
Rankkor
Sure the horde does elections, But the debate is held with axes and a trip to the ballot box can end in blood.
Recounts are just murder.
Silliness aside. Depending on how they execute it, I can see Nazgrim, Zaela, or Baine being made warchief. I think Lor'themar and Vol'jin are politically savvy enough to no want the job, as they are each too interested in the rejuvenation of their own peoples and Saurfang old enough to know better.
They say it will be someone you aren't expecting, so I am looking at secondary characters.
For laughs though, I wouldn't mind seeing a goblin on the throne.
They've never actually said that.
First metzen said a while back this: "You'll get your warchief back" which heavily implies Thrall is returning to his position.
Then Bashiok said "It doesn't necesarily means Thrall will be warchief" which IMO could just be red herring to keep us guessing.
Remember Mists of Pandaria? People saw blizz trademarking the name, speculations started to run wild, and then Tom Chilton said "I think those rumors about MoP are highly over-rated, if you look at the way we've handled pandaren in the past we've only used them for figurines, comics, or easter-egg stuff". Basically implying that Pandaren would never be officially added to the game. Turned out to be just red herring to throw us off-base.
I'm hoping its Lor'themar but from a lore PoV he really would just love to leave politics to someone else, and become a Ranger General, so it would make sense that he'd be offered the mantle of warchief and he turns it down.
And my intuition tells me its gonna be Thrall. Though they really will have to undo all the damage that Aggra and the piss-poor writing of cataclysm did to him if they want players to embrace him as warchief as they did before.
I used to love pre-cata Thrall. He was a badass warrior-shaman, awesome leader, and someone I could proudly follow to the depths of hell and back. Post-cata Thrall? he's barely a hobo, a henpecked do-nothing hobo, married to an abomination. Aggra probably keeps his balls on her purse.
Poor Thrall U_U
Post by
Skreeran
I just don't understand how it
could
be Thrall, given that his entire plotline in The Shattering basically boiled down to the fact that being a good shaman and being a good Warchief are more or less irreconcilable.
Post by
Rankkor
I just don't understand how it
could
be Thrall, given that his entire plotline in The Shattering basically boiled down to the fact that being a good shaman and being a good Warchief are more or less irreconcilable.
He gave up his leadership to develop his shamanism since it was what was most needed, he can give up his shamanism to return to leadership which is more needed now.
Like I said, they really need to work him out to undo the massive damage that the writing in cataclysm did to him.
Post by
Skreeran
I just don't understand how it
could
be Thrall, given that his entire plotline in The Shattering basically boiled down to the fact that being a good shaman and being a good Warchief are more or less irreconcilable.
He gave up his leadership to develop his shamanism since it was what was most needed, he can give up his shamanism to return to leadership which is more needed now.
Like I said, they really need to work him out to undo the massive damage that the writing in cataclysm did to him.You read the book, though, right? It started out as him leaving Garrosh in temporary leadership while he went on his spiritual journey, but as his storyline progressed, he was more and more conflicted about his duties as Warchief and his needs as a Shaman, and towards the end, he basically came to the conclusion that he couldn't keep fighting between Warchief and Shaman anymore, so he gave himself fully over to shamanism.
They would have to actually retcon it to bring him back.
Post by
Rankkor
I just don't understand how it
could
be Thrall, given that his entire plotline in The Shattering basically boiled down to the fact that being a good shaman and being a good Warchief are more or less irreconcilable.
He gave up his leadership to develop his shamanism since it was what was most needed, he can give up his shamanism to return to leadership which is more needed now.
Like I said, they really need to work him out to undo the massive damage that the writing in cataclysm did to him.You read the book, though, right? It started out as him leaving Garrosh in temporary leadership while he went on his spiritual journey, but as his storyline progressed, he was more and more conflicted about his duties as Warchief and his needs as a Shaman, and towards the end, he basically came to the conclusion that he couldn't keep fighting between Warchief and Shaman anymore, so he gave himself fully over to shamanism.
They would have to actually retcon it to bring him back.
Yeah I read the book, he decided that he was needed more as a shaman than a warchief, and he could not develop his shamanism if he still had the burden of leadership on his shoulders.
Now, the cataclysm is over, and he's needed more as a leader than a shaman, so its not entirely out of character, or unreasonable to think he'd give up his shamanism to return as a warchief.
Post by
Skreeran
I doubt it, honestly. It was more of an internal conflict he dealt with (should I be this, or that?) rather than an external one (am I needed here, or there?).
Post by
Adamsm
He will still be true to his Shamanism, but he'll take the reins back...because Blizzard will be lazy and just plop him down and not solve the issue with the leader of the Orcs also being tied to the Warchief position.
Post by
Lordplatypus
There's the fact that he's practically metzen's self-insert fanfic.
Post by
Rankkor
There's the fact that he's practically metzen's self-insert fanfic.
not really, he's been taken down quite a few notches as of late. Specially on Tides of War where his only role is to get an ass kicking.
He will still be true to his Shamanism, but he'll take the reins back...because Blizzard will be lazy and just plop him down and not solve the issue with the leader of the Orcs also being tied to the Warchief position.
They could still surprise us yo'
I mean, everyone was speculating who'd become the new aspect of earth (with a few ignorants saying it'd be thrall, ugh) and then out of nowhere they simply removed the choice by not having any aspects anymore.
They could still pull that trick out of the hat here. Make Thrall leader of the orcs, but remove the warchief position. This of course comes with its own share of problems (such as making the horde too similar to the alliance, but hey, blizzard doesn't seem to have a problem with that, what with making varian "high king" of the alliance, and practically their equivalent of a warchief.)
Post by
Adamsm
Specially on Tides of War where his only role is to get an ass kicking.
Well...not really; he still holds back a tidal wave that Jaina summoned with the power of the Focusing Iris, after being the only Shaman on Azeroth to realize what she was doing....
Post by
Rankkor
he still got a massive ass kicking, which is more than what can be said about varian who still has to be touched by a single enemy. He's never been on the receiving end of a massive defeat, and this is one of the reasons I can't have any respect for him. It makes him "too perfect" to be a believable character.
And did you read my edit?
Post by
Adamsm
he still got a massive ass kicking,Meh, didn't seem that massive to me; he still held it back after all...and if Kalec hadn't of shown up, sounded like he was almost willing to kill Jaina.
Thing is, Thrall has the same Invincible Hero Syndrome that Varian has; Thrall rarely if ever loses too. His one massive beat down was when he was a tired teen against a full grown dual headed ogre. Alternate Blackmoore kicked him around sure...but then Thrall just pwn'd him.
As for the Edit: It's Blizzard, It's Thrall, he'll be back, and he'll be Warchief and they won't fix the orc/warchief issue.
Post by
Rankkor
he still got a massive ass kicking,Meh, didn't seem that massive to me; he still held it back after all...and if Kalec hadn't of shown up, sounded like he was almost willing to kill Jaina.
Thing is, Thrall has the same Invincible Hero Syndrome that Varian has; Thrall rarely if ever loses too. His one massive beat down was when he was a tired teen against a full grown dual headed ogre. Alternate Blackmoore kicked him around sure...but then Thrall just pwn'd him.
You seem to forget that one time where a pitlord oneshoted him like he was a bothersome flea.
I'm not saying that Thrall loses all the time, I'm saying he has tasted the bitterness of defeat, and even defeat before he can even do a scratch to the enemy. Varian hasn't encountered that problem. Ever. So Varian suffers FAR MORE of the Invincible Hero Syndrome than Thrall ever will. Even if they are few, Thrall has had defeats.
As for the Edit: It's Blizzard, It's Thrall, he'll be back, and he'll be Warchief and they won't fix the orc/warchief issue.
Wanna put some gold into that? :P (yes I realize we can't do cross-realm trade, but I'm willing to make an alt on your realm, cage one of my battle-pets and sell it on the AH to pay you 500g if Thrall is reinstated as Warchief. Care to wager?)
Edit:
Clarification: Not that I think its unlikely for Thrall to be warchief again, if metzen said it, then its highly possible it will happen. My wager is on whether or not they're gonna do anything to address the conflict that led to Thrall leaving the Warchief position in the first place. Or if they're gonna half-ass it and just put him back there with no explanation given. Also if they're gonna fix or undo the massive damage that Cataclysm's writing did to him.
THAT is my wager.
Post by
Adamsm
You seem to forget that one time where a pitlord oneshoted him like he was a bothersome flea.Yeah...so that's three times at most Thrall has been beaten in the fights he goes up against =P.
And no, won't make that bet, since my apparent psychic Blizzard powers aside, I just feel how I feel and if they surprise me by doing the opposite well, there you go.
Post by
Rankkor
You seem to forget that one time where a pitlord oneshoted him like he was a bothersome flea.Yeah...so that's three times at most Thrall has been beaten in the fights he goes up against =P.
3 > 0
simple mathematical truth. Just sayin'
And no, won't make that bet, since my apparent psychic Blizzard powers aside, I just feel how I feel and if they surprise me by doing the opposite well, there you go.
ahhh
/cluck
Just kidding bro' :P I am however gonna unleash the motherload of "I told you so"s if they actually put Lor'themar as warchief, or anyone who isn't Thrall, or if they put Thrall but actually address the many issues with the lore from Shattering that would bring.
Post by
Skreeran
Just kidding bro' :P I am however gonna unleash the motherload of "I told you so"s if they actually put Lor'themar as warchief, or anyone who isn't Thrall, or if they put Thrall but actually address the many issues with the lore from Shattering that would bring.All of my money is still firmly on Vol'jin's square... :P
Post by
Rankkor
Just kidding bro' :P I am however gonna unleash the motherload of "I told you so"s if they actually put Lor'themar as warchief, or anyone who isn't Thrall, or if they put Thrall but actually address the many issues with the lore from Shattering that would bring.All of my money is still firmly on Vol'jin's square... :P
AJA! so you ARE interested in a little wager :P
care to do it? (Like I said, just get an argent tournament pet, learn it, make an alt on my realm, cage it, sell on AH, and profit)
Post by
Skreeran
Just kidding bro' :P I am however gonna unleash the motherload of "I told you so"s if they actually put Lor'themar as warchief, or anyone who isn't Thrall, or if they put Thrall but actually address the many issues with the lore from Shattering that would bring.All of my money is still firmly on Vol'jin's square... :P
AJA! so you ARE interested in a little wager :P
care to do it? (Like I said, just get an argent tournament pet, learn it, make an alt on my realm, cage it, sell on AH, and profit)I'll do it if my WoW account is active... :P
Post by
Lordplatypus
3 > 0
simple mathematical truth. Just sayin'
He got hammered in his short story against that dragonthingy and he got ambushed and imprisoned twice.
3=3
however thrall was existant since WC3: Reign of chaos, whereas varian had 3 expansions of gametime.
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