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Why so much hate on MoP?
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Post by
yukonjack
1. Cookie Cutter builds will always exist. No exceptions.
2. If there is more choice, where is my fury tank? My frost tank? My DW Unholy? My Shaman tank?
In the fantasy world of the imagination where they belong.
And yes, the Hate is mainly the vocal minority of people who don't know jack about the Lore and prefer to complain about everything they can just to make them feel better about it.
Or perhaps they are truly disappointed with what they have seen so far and feel a need to share their frustrations with like minded people? I know I am.
That said it is still way to early to tell how it will all flesh out, hopefully they will scrap the talent system altogether as opposed to going with the system they trotted out for MoP.
As for the Panderan/Panda debate there really is none the Panderans have their rightful place in wow lore preceeding Kung Fu Panda by several years that isnt really the point here though its a matter of which is more well known.
For example when i feel a sneeze coming on I always reach for Kleenex despite whichever brand of facial tissue I am actually reaching for, same goes for the Pokemon thing.
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Post by
SgtFrog
I'm kinda uncomfortable with MoP because EVERYTHING is changing...again!
For example...no minimum range or melee weapons on Hunters anymore. Maybe a third of the fun of playing as a Hunter was sniping your enemies, playing keep-away, and kiting! Wouldn't it look stupid/odd for your player character to raise his/her gun or bow and fire point-blank into someone's face?
Warlocks having multiple demons out will be...interesting, to say the least. Whether that's for the better or worse, we'll have to see.
"Rotations improved"- I feel like I'm not doing the best I can unless I follow some sort of rotation. I like a fair bit of variety in my spell casting or sword swinging, but there's a fine line between "lots of interesting moves and spells" and "a bunch of semi-useless gimmicks".
Why did they overhaul the talent tree again? I liked how it was in Cataclysm. You pick a spec, you stick with that spec until around level 40 or so, then you support your chosen spec with bits of the other two! Now, it's feeling a bit...tangled. "No mandatory talents" sounds good, but it's nice to have one or two "gotta-have" talents to build around and off of. And then there's the removal of talent ranks and points...
Okay, that's my take. Sorry about that.
Post by
Adamsm
For example...no minimum range or melee weapons on Hunters anymore. Maybe a third of the fun of playing as a Hunter was sniping your enemies, playing keep-away, and kiting! Wouldn't it look stupid/odd for your player character to raise her/her gun or bow and fire point-blank into someone's face?To be fair, while they said the dead zone is gone, they haven't said if it's just auto shot or all abilities.
Post by
Interest
For example...no minimum range or melee weapons on Hunters anymore. Maybe a third of the fun of playing as a Hunter was sniping your enemies, playing keep-away, and kiting! Wouldn't it look stupid/odd for your player character to raise her/her gun or bow and fire point-blank into someone's face?
It still makes logical sense to keep a distance. It's not fun to be unnecessarily hurt, right? We'll still be kiting (although against casters not so much, which I think is fine - they sometimes try to kite US nowadays)
And about point blank shooting, it's actually possible to do it IRL. In fact, it would technically hurt MORE to fire on someone point blank due to the velocity not deteriorating from air resistance (and possibly gravity).
To be fair, while they said the dead zone is gone, they haven't said if it's just auto shot or all abilities.
Considering Hunters can ONLY use a ranged weapon in the slot, ALL ranged abilities will have no minimum range, but we lose all our melee abilities.
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Post by
TheReal
For those who are naysaying the new talent system, please keep in mind that this is very, very, very early. Plenty of opportunity for them to reveal more about the system, fine tune it and make it solid, on the flip slide it also gives them more time to test and find out it might not work. At this point any kind of QQ, whining or the sort is premature and foolish, truth be told.
Any sort of whining and QQ, or even constructive criticism, is GOOD rather than foolish. Many people were whining about the lack of Pandaren in recent expansions, and now look what their whining, QQ, and constructive criticism has led to! Some people play the "oh, you're just whining and calling us fanboyz" card when in fact we want our opinions about these stupid changes heard just as much as you would want yours heard if Blizzard was doing something you didn't like.
Now is the PERFECT time to complain while Blizzard doesn't have much invested in this new talent system. The more resources get invested into this stupid move, the less likely Blizzard is to retract it.
Hate to see what the talent tree's gonna look like at that point, but...
Meh, by then Blizzard will think it's impossible for their player base to make decisions. We'll only have the classes by then, and talent specs will be a thing of the past. All warriors will be forced into Prot, and all priests will either heal or sit there and pick their noses.
Sarcasm aside, if Blizzard goes through with this talent system change, the only other change I ever want to see in it is a reversion to Wrath or Cata trees.
Post by
Lenience
Never really understood people's logic against Pandaren.
Cows that can be the bringers of light, but then panda people and they're all chuckin' a cr@p.
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Post by
Ordayc
2. If there is more choice, where is my fury tank? My frost tank? My DW Unholy? My Shaman tank?
To be fair, the choices have been pretty limited since 4.0. Most of the unusual specs were eliminated by disallowing hybrid specs and by moving lots of necessary talents and specialization bonuses to positions unobtainable for "off-specs" (i.e. specs not used for their intended role, such as a fury tank). So I'd rather blame Cataclysm for their demise, and not MoP.
Besides, your view of choices probably differs strongly from Blizzard's view. While you would like to play your specs in a way they are not designed for, Blizzard probably wants to give those who play it in the "right" manner enough choices. While the freedom you want (i.e. to "misuse" specs for other roles, or "misuse" abilities that were not intended to be used) may end up being limited even more with this system, I feel that players who play the specs in the intended way will get many more choices – right now, there are hardly any.
Please don't get me wrong: I don't want to say that you're playing the game in a wrong way, but simply in a way that Blizzard seems not to support. (In fact, I love exporing the talent system and giving the weirdest specs a try, so I know very well where you're coming from. I just think MoP's system will not make the situation for unusual specs much worse, if at all, while it will improve the intended-use specs considerably.)
1. Cookie Cutter builds will always exist. No exceptions.
Although there will be cookie-cutter builds (and I doubt those can be prevented with any system), I feel that the specs will differ much more than they do now.
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TheReal
Any sort of whining and QQ, or even constructive criticism, is GOOD rather than foolish.
you'd be wrong. CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is good, but that's not what the whiners and qq'ers are doing (or even intend to do).
What they're doing is destructive, and deliberately so. It not only ruins the atmosphere in the community, it actually drives prospective customers away from even trying the game, and quite possibly causes people to terminate their accounts in disgust at the community.
It also demoralises the developers and other Blizzard staff, causing them to shut themselves off from community interaction more and more (there's already no more community feedback email or suggestions forum in Europe for example, GMs are rarely if ever in game anywhere, only contact you in response to a ticket and then only through a special chat session rather than popping up next to you more often than not, etc. etc.).
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So the whiners are demoralising the devs and gms, possibly causing loss of revenue, and you think they're a good thing?
And oh, you can't base any real opinion about the next expansion based on a few bits of very early concept art used to demonstrate the general atmosphere of what's planned.
Wait until the open beta at least (not the closed beta of course, as you will be under an NDA if you get an invite to that) to voice any opinion (and don't even formulate it until you've actually seen the thing in action at a tradeshow or playing a beta, and even then classify your opinion as being based on a limited experience of unfinished content).
That's an awful lot of assumptions to make. You assume QQers and whiners intend to bring down the quality of the community and demoralize Blizzard staff. You assume GMs don't show up in-game because they'd rather cut themselves off from the community as much as possible. You assume someone is lying when they voice their opinion. You assume developers and GMs don't know enough to see constructive criticism within whining posts.
I'm sure the more critical minds among us can pick out a few more assumptions you've made in formulating your opinion.
These are real people, and the whining and qq'ing hurts them, badly. You have to have worked in a customer facing position to know how much such a volume of baseless, unfounded, utterly unfair criticism and lies can hurt.
You have to have a thick skin when working a customer-facing position and use your critical thinking skills to decipher what people mean when they say what they say. If you work a customer-facing position and take everything at face value, you're not going to last very long.
Post by
Interest
Never really understood people's logic against Pandaren.
Cows that can be the bringers of light, but then panda people and they're all chuckin' a cr@p.
People hate animal people I guess.
Post by
Atik
Never really understood people's logic against Pandaren.
Cows that can be the bringers of light, but then panda people and they're all chuckin' a cr@p.
People hate animal people I guess.
I like taurens, because they are notably more humanoid than cow. Same with Kobolds, Worgen, ect. But a Pandaren is just a panda on its hind legs. Not interesting at all.
The only fully-animal race I would support are raptors. Because Dinosaurs are awesome.
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Post by
Interest
Never really understood people's logic against Pandaren.
Cows that can be the bringers of light, but then panda people and they're all chuckin' a cr@p.
People hate animal people I guess.
I like taurens, because they are notably more humanoid than cow. Same with Kobolds, Worgen, ect. But a Pandaren is just a panda on its hind legs. Not interesting at all.
The only fully-animal race I would support are raptors. Because Dinosaurs are awesome.
So maybe we should have a race of Raptor Jesus, and they can only roll Rogue.
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