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I just realized......Grey Morality Doesn't Exist
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Adamsm
Which shows more that gray morality does exist.
Edit: In other words, you can't just point at someone or something and say with 100% certainty that they are good or evil since the view point can change quite easily: Ask any country ends up with a civil war.
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Orranis
I'm sure that, somewhere, you can find someplace where those are not considered wrong.
Just because it could be acceptable somewhere else, doesn't mean people want it happening to them. The only person who wouldn't mind their child being molested for example is a pedophile.
Ancient Egyptian servants greatest hope used to be that they would be put to death when their pharaoh died. They didn't give consent to it, they would be murdered either way, but it was the greatest honor. That's subjective.
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Adamsm
Yes adam, I can point at someone with 100% certainty if they are good or evil, I'd be hard-pressed to find a single non-racist human being who thinks that hitler was a pretty cool guy or that abuse is ok.
Still not proof that the entire world can be shelved in simple boxes that say 'good' or 'evil' on them; heck, look at what's happening in the Middle East right now: A lot of the groups there see themselves as the good fighting against the evil invaders.
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Orranis
If two people can have differing morals, morality is subjective. Some people consider premarital sex moral; some don't. Q.E.D., morality is subjective.
If one person is completely mentally sane, and the other is a sociopath, no.
If one person had a normal childhood raised by good caring parents, and the other was raised by deranged neo-nazis teaching them hateful stuff from an early age, no.
Sanity as defined by whom?
If one person had a normal childhood raised by good caring parents, and the other was raised by Satanist Jews whispering blasphemy to them from an early age, no.
See? You have a completely subjective view on morals that Neo-Nazi's clearly don't share, and you arbitrarily define yours as the only real right ones. Just like Neo-Nazi's do! You completely brought this Godwin upon yourself. It's completely subjective!
Honestly, what is the point you moral relativists are trying to make? If morality is subjective, then where do we, as a society, go from there? Remove laws? Like, really, what possible positive thing can come from moral relativism? It's a self destructive philosophy, there is zero rational reason to believe in it, because nothing but anarchy can come from mass-believing in it.
Understanding is the first step towards peace.
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Adamsm
Sanity is subjective: How else do you explain Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson?
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Adamsm
Sanity is subjective: How else do you explain Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson?
Deeming which carriers of insanity to accept into culture is subjective and media-driven. That's how I'd explain that. :P
/snicker
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Pwntiff
Do you mean amoral or immoral?
And to quote Picard
I don't know how to communicate this, or even if it is possible. But the question of justice has concerned me greatly of late. And I say to any creature who may be listening, there can be no justice so long as laws are absolute. Even life itself is an exercise in exceptions.
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Orranis
I think moral relativists just lack the ability to feel empathy for others and that's why when they see things like the genocide or animal abuse, they're like "meh, theres two sides to this story" because it provokes zero emotional response from them, therefore they cannot get mad at the person ordering/taking part in the genocide, or abusing the animal.
But when it happens to them? Oh, than it's evil.
*shrugs*
Not to be offensive or anything, I just can't think of any other explanation for someone not finding anything wrong with those kinds of things.
edit: @orannis, now you're saying sanity is subjective.......
Ya, here you are, basically saying that experienced psychiatrists have no idea what they're talking about.
Neo-Nazi's are not insane by any clinical definition. You're mistaken.
"I think moral absolutists lack the ability to feel empathy for others and that's why when they see things like theft, they're like "meh, he's evil" because the story of the robber provokes zero emotional response from them..."
Why does moral relativism scare you so much, Soldrethar?
Because only anarchy can come from it. It encourages amoral behavior in people.
It is statistically true that the harsh punishment of crimes never scales directly to lowering crime rates nearly as much as the elimination of poverty. How would you explain this if people's morals are inherent to their person rather than their situation?
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