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What do you think the main problem with MoP is?
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FarseerLolotea
I really think you are missing the point.Far from it.
I'm not talking about current players. Current players either like the idea of the Pandaren, or are willing to over-look them because they like the rest of WoW too much to let the Pandaren bother them too much.
The problem is attracting
new
players. That is the damage that 'lol king-fu pandas' and 'pokemon pets' does. If new people can't take this game seriously subs will suffer. This is entirely within Blizzard's ability to control with an intelligent marketing effort, but for some reason they haven't done anything yet.
Any
given game is going to be concerned with attracting new players to
some
degree.
However, a well-established game like WoW, which already has a solid player base? Their primary concern is going to be keeping the players that they
have
—or, at most, counteracting their recent minor drop-off.
To paraphrase what Soldrethar was saying there: the little contingent who are going off about
Kung Fu Panda
are just excessively eager to prove their "maturity" by trying far too hard to be edgy.
Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.Tell 'em, Jack.
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FarseerLolotea
Minor drop-off? 17% of the subscriber base gone in a year is a 'minor drop-off'? Pray tell what you would consider significant? On that basis I also challenge your contention that WoW's playerbase is 'solid'. A solid playerbase doesn't decline 17% in a year.
And what about the current playerbase? I overlooked them for the most part, but they aren't a highly content lot themselves. With SWTOR out and Guild Wars 2 on the horizon, they will soon have plenty of options should their discontent reach a critical point.
And as for counter-action: that's what I'm talking about. They haven't taken any directly related to MoP. That Annual Pass promotion was a nice trick, but that just slows down the bleeding (and will be a disaster when the bandage falls off in 11 months).Laconic version: "WoW is dying." And yet, it's still one of, if not
the
, most popular MMOs out there.
Way to attack the messenger instead of addressing the issue.No one "attacked" you. That was aimed at the vocal minority (and yes, that's all it is) who keep sounding off about
Kung Fu Panda
, "PokéWoW," and the alleged juvenilization of the game—and, as such, was
entirely
relevant.
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FarseerLolotea
Yes, WoW
is
dying. Congratulations on grasping that. When all else fails: imply that one would have to be stupid to disagree.
And if would you have it die later rather than sooner, the facts of the situation need to be addressed.Biased doomsaying =/= facts.
WoW is
not
dying. Not by a long shot. It could lose more than half of its current playerbase and still be considered successful. Hell, it could lose its current dominance of the MMO market and still be successful. Claiming that WoW is "dying" because there's been a drop-off of far
less
than half—or even a quarter—is no more rational than claiming that every MMO that fails to supplant it is "dead."
And considering when that drop-off began—and the fact that the game is hardly, if at all, still "bleeding," as you claim—it'd make far more sense to blame the over-ambitious, rushed product that was
Cataclysm
.
And it is irrelevant because it is not merely the perception of a vocal minority.Well, that's the thing about a vocal minority: it
always
denies being one. People predict doom and gloom before
every
expansion pack. That's just how it goes.
Get out there in the rest of the internet and see what they are saying on game-review sites, rather than WoW fan-sites. The perception that Wow is being juvenilized is widespread, and un-checked by Blizzard.ITT: anonymous commentators on general game-review sites are more reliable than anonymous commentators on sites
about
the game, especially when it comes to something we've only got the barest of hints about yet.
You can call your detractors names all you want, but it doesn't make them change their minds.And you can play the victim and try to claim the high ground all you want, but it doesn't make you any more right.
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FarseerLolotea
What you, and many others, fail to grasp is that this time is different. Never before in WoW's history has an expansion been preceded by 4 consecutive quarters of sub losses."Fail to grasp," my virtual left hoof. It would appear that
you
fail to grasp the fact that the drop-off in WoW's subscriptions
has nothing to do with MoP
.
Seriously. Do one
hugely
over-ambitious (and somewhat poorly written) expansion pack, a
moderately
over-ambitious (if better-written) one before it, all-around player burnout, several other highly-anticipated games being released recently, and a rather crummy economy ring any bells?
You would be correct. If you were correct.So...what
am
I supposedly wrong about?
It seems pretty clear that you
are
, in fact, claiming that WoW is on its deathbed. You
are
refusing to acknowledge that even if this
were
the case, it couldn't—due to timing—be realistically
pinned
on MoP. You
are
grossly exaggerating the fanbase's dissatisfaction with the very idea of MoP.
And you
have
, in fact, accused me of "attacking" and "calling names," even as you've implied that I'm somehow stupid or ignorant for disagreeing with you.
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gamerunknown
as opposed to WotLK
Northrend has been in the game all these years, you just failed to notice it!
Exact same thing.
Anyway, I see absolutely nothing wrong with Mists of Pandaria. I watched a Weekly Marmot where they said the original class models are getting an improvement, which is cool. Lore also said that every single year at Blizzcon the most asked question is when are Pandaren going to be introduced to WoW, so the actual lore nerds with money *want* Pandaren - this may be the sole instance where Blizzard listens to their fanbase.
Edit: I'm kinda pissed that before Mists of Pandaria was announced I posted on a comment thread saying Amala Pandersson would be the Pandaren racial leader for the next expansion, then wowhead updating erased the comment.
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slamb1
The main problem with MoP is that it hasn't been released and players can't make an educated decision about what is right or wrong with it yet. Until then, this thread is just QQ.
Merry Christmas.
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FarseerLolotea
C.S. Lewis just won this thread.C.S. Lewis won the entire topic, long before WoW was even a thing.
The main problem with MoP is that it hasn't been released and players can't make an educated decision about what is right or wrong with it yet. Until then, this thread is just QQ.Yeah, pretty much.
And...Merry Christmas, happy holidays, and all that.
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Krestril
Was expecting Old Gods. Got Pandas.
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FarseerLolotea
Was expecting Old Gods. Got Pandas.Kind of like we got puppies and green gnomes in Cata, right? I mean, not to defend Cata too strongly—it
was
over-ambitious and came nowhere near living up to its own hype, after all—but even so.
Really. People keep going off about "pandas" as if that were the sum total of the entire expansion. We don't even
know
much of anything about the expansion yet. But even the little that we do know suggests that it's a
helluva
lot more than just "pandas."
And that's entirely skipping the fact that calling pandaren "pandas" is kind of like calling worgen "dogs" or tauren "cows." Sure, the fact that the race has more than a marginal or incidental resemblance makes it a few steps above comparing draenei to goats and/or cephalopods, but that's setting the bar pretty low to begin with. Worgen probably don't roll in dead things, tauren probably don't chew cud, and pandaren probably consider bamboo a side dish or a crafting material.
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