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588688
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
Thinking that there should be a reasonable scale of offense vs. response =/= empathy, it equals common sense. In the situation you're describing, there ARE methods that will work that don't involve violence. You seem to have entirely discounted trying the route of talking to the principle or your parents- you're like "It COULD help, but I think this definitely will, so I'll beat them up." It's like you still have the mindset of a child who doesn't understand that there are laws and procedures that adults have to follow, that will protect you if you actually follow them and get the activity reported. I can understand a child who doesn't know any better not realizing that there are other options, but as an adult you should know better. It really is as though your perception of how the world works is frozen in time, and you're looking at the situation as though you only had the amount of information and experience a child would.
That actually makes a lot of sense, in terms of explaining how you arrive at your argument. Your perception on whether or not you could have gotten in trouble is only based on whether or not you did, and not a grasp on how the law works or current events. Your response to the idea of violence vs. words completely disregards any concept of steps between talking and beating their face in, like utilizing authority figures, the law, your parents, etc. Your staunch affirmation that you beating them will stop the behavior doesn't take into account loads of evidence to the contrary in child behavioral studies, and doesn't take into account the fact that you'd be putting yourself in position for some kind of trouble which would leave your sister without your protection anyway. You seem to be looking at the situation under a microscope, as though the rest of the world and related issues don't exist.
Post by
Adamsm
Would you really, honest to god, think I'm morally wrong for doing that?
YES!
Because as you put it:Now let's say I'm the victims older brother, who happens to also attend that school and I'm a grade higher and a year older than the person bullying her, and stronger.Which in this scenario, makes you the bully to the other kid. You aren't helping your sister, you are just making things worse. Most intelligent people would go to the proper authorities to get it handled, rather being a caveman and attacking this kid, since you'd be the one getting in trouble. Your parents might be 'fine' with it, but somehow I doubt that.
As Elhonna said, you've got the wrong mindset here; most kids over 10 know it's wrong to attack another student. The fact htat you still think it's morally justified/right says a lot, and none of it is good.
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ElhonnaDS
Many kids who are real bullies- not just ones that tease each other, but ones who really harass other kids, are acting out on abuse that they have been exposed to. Kids who are beaten at home, have to watch domestic abuse between parents, who are verbally abused and made to feel worthless, etc. are the ones most likely to turn this behavior onto other kids at school. They are powerless against those who abuse them, and in order to regain some sense of control they seek out targets who are weaker than themselves to "pay it forward" to. It's the reason that children in abusive households often harm the family pet- it's the only one in the house they have any power over, and they act out their frustrations on them.
Logically, if the reason that a child is a bully is because of abuse, then abusing him more won't cure it. He'll do what he does at home- try to avoid the person who can hurt him, and act out his frustration on those who can't. You won't stop them and you won't protect anyone by heaping on more abuse. So you'll make them into a worse bully, you'll most likely be removed from the situation yourself through suspension or expulsion (leaving you sister at the hands of an even angrier bully), and you'll grow up into the kind of person who thinks violence is an ok solution, which will most likely cause you more legal issues down the line.
Post by
Adamsm
I tried that logic on him
yesterday
, but he just ignored it Elhonna.
Post by
gamerunknown
Uh, someone was charged for hitting another kid in the *!@#? In primary school, there used to be a game where everyone would hit each other in the $%^&. It was juvenile, but we were in primary school. Actually, my primary school was pretty rough. Some guy had his head sat on for fighting with another guy's brother. I got choked because some girl thought I insulted her for whatever reason. Some guy threw a cricket bat at my head because I intervened when he was bullying some other kid (he used to pick on my sister too).
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588688
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ElhonnaDS
Sold- I'm not asking if you care about his home life. What I am saying is that if his behavior is the direct result of violence against him, why do you think more violence against him would cause him to act differently?
If I told you that the more gas you put on a fire, the hotter it burned, and you then told me you'd throw a can of gas on the fire to put it out, it would be the same as what you just said.
Post by
Adamsm
Except, you don't get expelled for beating up another student, I haven't, nor has any other student I've known.Bull !@#$.
Here
Here
Here
And those were just a few of the articles that I found when I put 'expelled for fighting' in a Google search. Just because you personally haven't had it happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't; I knew quite a few people who were expelled from my high school for fighting and for repeated bullying. I also know teens who were charged and arrested for doing the same. Your experiences are not the norm for the rest of the world, stop pretending they are, and stop trying to justify acting like a bully is a good thing.
then beating him up should scare him enough not to bully her anymore.Or, the opposite happens, and the bully catches your sister alone and does something truly horrible to her because of what you did.
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1000947
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ElhonnaDS
I think that safety precautions state that any time someone is in a police car, they have to be handcuffed. If a prisoner acts out, they could cause a fatal crash.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh yeah they get the tiny handcuffs for them.
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557473
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ElhonnaDS
Yes.
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ElhonnaDS
I think that
safety
precautions state that any time someone is in a police car, they have to be handcuffed. If a
prisoner
acts out
, they could cause a fatal crash.
Sorry for continuing the off topic, but where do 8 year old girls prove a danger to grown police officers?
It doesn't take a lot of physical strength to distract a driver enough to send them into a telephone pole, or an oncoming car. I don't think that the law was designed specifically for 8 year olds, but I don't think they should pick and choose when to ignore the law either.
And if you're discussing one of my examples, the children in question held another child underwater in an attempt to drown them. If a child has attempted to kill another human being, I think that letting them get the full experience of what it's like to be arrested is a pretty acceptable way to try and scare them straight.
EDIT: So if you meant it was a stupid question in that they couldn't prove a threat, you're wrong. If you meant that it's a stupid question because it should be obvious that anyone could pose a danger to a person driving a car if they started struggling with them, regardless of size, then you're right.
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
That still loops back to the fact that beating someone's face in
does absolute jack squat
; we had a 'so-called' bully hunter at my school, a kid who picked on the 'bullies'....know what happened to him? He got jumped by 10+ of the people he beat on. Answering violence with violence doesn't go anywhere except to more violence.
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