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Post by
Gone
You're a racist and I really don't care if you don't want to discuss with me anymore because it's not like you're listening.
Sorry I hurt your little racist feelings.
Way to prove my point. Namecalling and trolling, thats the intelligent way of debate!
Post by
Adamsm
disagreeing is racist, and quite stupid as well.
This is why racism continues to be a problem in America.
Not really; racism continues to be a problem in America because it exists and very few actively try to fight it. It's simpler to just give out prizes to those who are affected by it and hope they go away.
Post by
Rankkor
Tbh, I think people made too big a deal out of that. Its not like race was ever a huge issue in the series. If you can ind the right asian actor good, but if a 10 year old oriental actor is hard to come by I don't get bothered by the white kid.
Complaining about Aang being played by a white kid in that movie is like complaining about the front yard of a house that is on fire.
The main issue with the cast in Last Airbender, is that Shyalaman changed the names of EVERYONE into a more "correct asian pronunctiation" but then refused to use any actual asian actors for the role.
An argument could be made that he wanted to cast skill over ethnicity, but the cast he chose were TERRIBLE actors who displayed no skill whatsoever, zero emotion, zero acting, they just read a script.
So he just chose those actors because he didn't wanted asians as protagonists. Plain and simple.
EDIT: That kind of goes to show you the double standard on racism btw. If it was the other way around, an iconic white character being played by an actor of a different race, you wouldn't hear as many people complaining about it as there were for the Avatar movie, and those who did complain would probably be *!@#$ed out as racists.
As a matter of fact that's wrong. When the Movie Daredevil was made, the character of Kingpin (Who is normally white in the comics) was played by a black actor, and some people complained. However that actor actually was good and he NAILED the role. I can't think of anyone else who could had played a more convincing Kingpin (too bad the rest of teh movie sucked)
Same goes for Nick Fury on the avengers, another white character in the comics, being played by a black actor. Some people (very briefly) complained, but all complaints were quickly hushed because Samuel MUTTAFUKA Jackson is THE MOST BADASS actor on this world, and few could had been better for the role of Fury.
If the actors chosen for TLA were actually skilled, people would had looked past the fact that they were all white instead of asian, but they weren't skilled, I think the entire Twilight cast shows more emotion that those amateurs.
Post by
Patty
In short, the view of the racial realists has become the view of a majority of white people
in the United States, who are essentially living what Frances Kendall (2006) so aptly calls the
color-blind fantasy: the belief that skin color no longer matters, that racism is no longer an
issue—or at least “it’s not my issue because I hold no racial prejudices and I do not discriminate on the basis of race.” The prevailing sentiment among most white people appears to be not guilt, but self-righteousness.
Just leaving this here.
Post by
Gone
Ok heres a question for Patty and EluraE:
Could either one of you please quote something in my original post, the one you both seem so butthurt about, where I said anything about white washing being non existent or the white actors doing a better job?
Don't put words in my mouth, claiming that I said a poorly produced movie is more of a problem than racism. Something I actually said please.
I'm not gonna bother defending myself as a non racist. I know that I'm not idc what you think. I could point out the friendships and relationships I've had with several black and hispanic people I have in my life. But this is the internet so my word holds no credibility, anybody can make up anything.
I just wanna point out how disturbing it is that the second somebody says something that could be misconstrued as racist, people devolve to the intelligence level of a five year old. Namecalling, cap talking and otherwise flaming, telling me to go take a bath in acid. This &*!@ is stupid and does nothing to advance the discussion.
Even if I was racist (which I'm not), namecalling isn't the way to change my opinion. If you want people to change, they have to be able to take you seriously.
Post by
Patty
@Ryja: certainly.I know
white washing
happens. What I said was that it
was the least of that movies problems
, and if the rest of the movie was well put together, it wouldn't have been terrible, just because of the race of some cast members.
That is very clearly emphasising overall quality of the movie over its racist content.
I could point out the friendships and relationships I've had with several black and hispanic people I have in my life.That is the worst appeal to authority that exists. Racism isn't a hatred of people of other races, that is xenophobia. Having friends "of color" is no indicator of if you are or are not racist. If I could link you the full journal article I took that extract from, it would be clearer. But I don't think it works outside the university network.
I just wanna point out how disturbing it is that the second somebody says something that could be misconstrued as racist, people devolve to the intelligence level of a five year old. Namecalling, cap talking and otherwise flaming, telling me to go take a bath in acid. This &*!@ is stupid and does nothing to advance the discussion.
mentally stunted people like you can't seem to discuss it without seeing red and flailing around like a retarded chimpHoly #$%^, I'm sorry your that slow.
@ofLegends:
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=211278.5#p3390194
Post by
Adamsm
It's hard to "actively try to fight" anything alongside people who accuse you of being racist just for having a discussion.
When you make comments that come off as racist, in a discussion on racism, don't be surprised if that term is tossed around.
You have BET... If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists.
If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.
If we had White History Month, we'd be racists. Can I truly say, anyone who puts crap like that, is full of *!@#? I mean really, there are dozen of WET channels already(including everyone's favorite Fox), so that kind of comment is so stupid it's not even funny. And according to a large number, there are already hundreds of White Pride Days and 9 of the other months may well as be called White History month, since that's what a majority of history out of text books are. That goes back to my comment that no one is actively fighting racism and is just handing out prizes to try to make the problem go away.
Post by
Jubilee
What I find interesting about this whole issue is that where I'm from (the fairly poor deep South), racism against African Americans seems to be much less of an issue, at least in my experience. It's a daily occurrence to see a black guy and a white guy partying in the back of a pickup covered in Confederate flags. Every kid is taught to respect their elders, from the Reverend all the way to the the old black man who's always playing his harmonica outside the bar (<3 Rusty), and even the worst kids would get a whooping if they crossed any lines.
Kind of the last place you'd expect it to be better.
Post by
240140
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Gone
That is very clearly emphasising overall quality of the movie over its racist content.
I said it was
that movies
biggest problem, not societies. This is what I mean when I said you were reading things that weren't there in my post. In terms of the quality of that movie, yes I think the writing, acting, and directing made for a poorer experience than the skin color of the actors. I wasn't even referring to the overall problem of white washing in Hollywood.
That is the worst appeal to authority that exists. Racism isn't a hatred of people of other races, that is xenophobia. Having friends "of color" is no indicator of if you are or are not racist. If I could link you the full journal article I took that extract from, it would be clearer. But I don't think it works outside the university network.
Actually xenophobia refers to a hatred, apprehension, or fear of other cultures. It's not about race.
What I meant by stating that was that I have white, black, and hispanic friends and loved ones, and I don't make a distinction.
As for that last thing you quoted. Yes I said that stuff after you called me stupid, lazy, racist, and implied I wasn't a decent human being, all for making an innocent comment about a movie.
Even if my comment was racist (and it wasn't, you just happened to read it that way given the context of the previous posts that I hadn't gotten to yet), then it was obviously out of obliviousness rather than any malicious intent. You attacked me first, and I responded.
Look I don't want to fight. I would be happy to discuss this in a civilized way and burry the hatchet, but I'm not going to put up with you insulting my intelligence and calling me a hateful or racist person because you misread the intent of my original comment.
What makes it worse is that I have explained several times now what i originally meant, yet you refuse to accept it, You are still trying to say that I was being racist, despite having been told that it was not what my meant by the comment.
Post by
Magician22773
You're excusing racism, pretending like it doesn't exist and whining about "reverse racism"
which isn't even a thing.
THIS is the single most ignorant statement that may have have ever been uttered in this forum, let alone this thread.
And it completely proves why this thread has gone down the path that is has.
Post by
240140
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
When you make comments that come off as racist, in a discussion on racism, don't be surprised if that term is tossed around.
You could at least TRY to make sense, if you're going to jump into the discussion.
Apparently the rest of my post made sense, or else you would have quoted the entire thing.
But here: thread about racism, someone trots out the whites are 'supposedly' oppressed because they can't use the ethnic slurs and insults, that the poor minorities get all the help, and that the whites of the world are obviously in trouble....don't be surprised if the term racist is aimed at people who make those types of comments.
Post by
Gone
You're excusing racism, pretending like it doesn't exist and whining about "reverse racism"
which isn't even a thing.
THIS is the single most ignorant statement that may have have ever been uttered in this forum, let alone this thread.
And it completely proves why this thread has gone down the path that is has.
To quote Vikey "Oh, please. Stop whining about double standards or "reverse racism", it's such bull^&*!. There is no such thing as reverse racism; white people are infact a race, believe it or not, and being discriminative toward them would indeed be racist. The fact that you have the audacity to call it "reverse-racism" as if whites are some superior species not able to be classified along with the rest is proof how backwards you have it. However, being upset over an entire ethnic cast being replaced by white people is not 'racist' toward white people, sorry to burst your bubble."
That's another thing, I never said the words reverse racism, or that being upset about the cast replacement was racist towards white people, more words being put in my mouth. What i said was that people are more vocal about racism towards minority groups than they are about racism towards a ethnicity that represents the majority.
Post by
Patty
That is very clearly emphasising overall quality of the movie over its racist content.
I said it was
that movies
biggest problem, not societies. This is what I mean when I said you were reading things that weren't there in my post. In terms of the quality of that movie, yes I think the writing, acting, and directing made for a poorer experience than the skin color of the actors. I wasn't even referring to the overall problem of white washing in Hollywood.Which is saying the same thing. You emphasised TLA's poor quality over its racist nature, which you deemed less important (and which you have just $%^&ing said was less important in that instance). I don't see how it is difficult to extrapolate your point. Basically, the narrative of what you are saying amounts to: I don't care if it's racist as long as it's a good movie or if there were other things wrong with it. The quality of the film is
IRRELEVANT
in all circumstances. Racism is a bad thing regardless, and is objectively worse for society than a bad movie that will be otherwise forgotten about. Your original point is at best going off on a completely unrelated tangent, and at worst completely racist.
What I meant by stating that was that I have white, black, and hispanic friends and loved ones, and I don't make a distinction.See: point on being color-blind on the previous page. Just because it apparently doesn't matter to you doesn't stop it existing or a real problem as a result of the apathy and self-righteousness of people who may not realize that they're supporting institutionalized racism.
As for that last thing you quoted. Yes I said that stuff after you called me stupid, lazy, racist, and implied I wasn't a decent human being, all for making an innocent comment about a movie.My point was - pot, kettle, black. I said what I said after reading incredibly racist remarks. See, here's the problem: the term racist is so negative now that being labelled it will result in a knee-jerk reaction to establish that you are
not
, because you have friends of color, or have voted for a certain bill offering more support to people of color, or something. That doesn't stop you holding racist views that you mightn't even realize are racist.
Even if my comment was racist (and it wasn't, you just happened to read it that way given the context of the previous posts that I hadn't gotten to yet), then it was obviously out of obliviousness rather than any malicious intent. You attacked me first, and I responded.See above. Also, on a thread like this, you should really check what has been written before you come bolting in with an opinion.
Look I don't want to fight. I would be happy to discuss this in a civilized way and burry the hatchet, but I'm not going to put up with you insulting my intelligence and calling me a hateful or racist person because you misread the intent of my original comment.I don't think I am, seeing as you have to resort to a slur for disabled people to try and make your point. However, see above for point on racism: you probably don't even realize you're doing it.
What makes it worse is that I have explained several times now what i originally meant, yet you refuse to accept it, You are still trying to say that I was being racist, despite having been told that it was not what my meant by the comment. Because your noble intentions don't stop something being racist.
I'm also going to say that finding out about racism, what it means, the form it has taken in our world and how it affects people "of color" is your own responsibility. If you're unwilling to even try and find out what might have been wrong with what you were saying, and immediately go on the defensive, it's likely that you were saying something wrong or inconsiderate anyway. Zealously going on the defensive also doesn't help you understand more about the problem - in fact it exacerbates it in many cases and makes you even more close-minded. Most sociology departments of universities have a lot of resources on stuff like this, some of it easily accessible for everybody. Hundreds of blogs and websites exist chronicling the types of things mentioned in the thread so far, or for educating you on the subject. I suggest you become more acquainted with google and these types of sites before trying to make an "I'm not racist!" post.
This is my final post in here before I end up getting myself banned.
Ed: Point of order,
What i said was that people are more vocal about racism towards minority groups than they are about racism towards a ethnicity that represents the majority.Obviously. There's a reason for that. The majority usually holds most of the power.
Post by
Magician22773
I am going to post
this
here,
It is completely Off Topic, and has nothing at all to do with racism. Is has everything to do with proving that actions speak thousands of times louder than words.
I ask one thing. Before you make your next post in this hateful thread, please take the time (it is a little long) to watch this video, beginning to end.
Myself, after watch this, can no longer bring myself to even participate in this discussion. I do not want the emotions that I am feeling now, after watching the video, to be erased by by the emotions that this thread brings out.
Yes, this is a derail. But is is a derail in a positive manner. Hopefully the mods will let it stand.
Post by
Gone
Which is saying the same thing. You emphasised TLA's poor quality over its racist nature, which you deemed less important (and which you have just $%^&ing said was less important in that instance). I don't see how it is difficult to extrapolate your point. Basically, the narrative of what you are saying amounts to: I don't care if it's racist as long as it's a good movie or if there were other things wrong with it. The quality of the film is IRRELEVANT in all circumstances. Racism is a bad thing regardless, and is objectively worse for society than a bad movie that will be otherwise forgotten about. Your original point is at best going off on a completely unrelated tangent, and at worst completely racist.
Imagine two pictures, the first one shows a black man being hit in the head with a snowball. It seems like a harmless prank, probably by some neighborhood kid. The next picture is the same as the first one, but its zoomed out so now you can see more, a bunch of guys wearing sheets with a burning cross throwing snow and rocks and ice at the guy. The first picture seems innocent in its original context, its not until you see the second one that it becomes ugly.
When I said that the race change was the least of that movies problems, I meant it in the same context as looking at the first picture. Without taking into account all the outlying issues, racism, white washing, etc (the second picture), the change of race in the Avatar movies seems like an innocent mistake, one less harmful to the plot than the poor writing, directing, and acting.
And btw, I meant it in kind of a tongue in cheek way as well. I heard a line in a tv show once where a guy was reviewing an actor in Law & Order and he said "his portrayal of a serial killing rapist was worse than the crime itself." It's an obvious overexageration, I clearly don't think that poor movie directing is a bigger problem in society than racism.
point on being color-blind on the previous page. Just because it apparently doesn't matter to you doesn't stop it existing or a real problem as a result of the apathy and self-righteousness of people who may not realize that they're supporting institutionalized racism
I wasn't speaking for society, I was speaking for myself. I am not a racist, and I know this by evidence of my own thoughts and actions, and the way I view people of other races.
My point was - pot, kettle, black. I said what I said after reading incredibly racist remarks.
First of all, "incredibly" is an overexageration. Thats twice now your either using words you don't know the meaning of, or giving a dishonest interpretation of events.
And what I said was in response to a personal attack.
the term racist is so negative now that being labelled it will result in a knee-jerk reaction
Theres a difference between saying somebody said or did something racist, and saying they
are
a racist.
To put this in perspective, earlier about the way you used xenophobia I said "you are wrong" your version is like saying "you are a liar". It's inflammatory.
I don't think I am
You are. And when I say "I meant A" and you respond over and over with "nuh uh, you really meant B" it doesn't help the conversation move along. I know what was in my head and I know how I meant it.
, seeing as you have to resort to a slur for disabled people to try and make your point. However, see above for point on racism: you probably don't even realize you're doing it.
I wasn't using it in description of a disabled person. If you wanna play that game I'm sure you are guilty as well. Every use the phrase "I'm starving"? half the world really is starving to death, so if your just hungry you shouldn't be using it. how about "are you crazy?" insensitive to the mentally ill. And I believe that in one of the religion threads weren't you comparing God to a character from Lord of the Rings? Thats insulting to the religious.
Everybody has used a phrase or expression before that could be construed as insulting or politically incorrect. I apologize if it offended you, I would never use that phrase in reference to a person with an actual mental disability.
Zealously going on the defensive also doesn't help you understand more about the problem
And namecalling and flaming is going to help me understand the problem with what I said, if one indeed exists?
This is my final post in here before I end up getting myself banned.
This irks me a bit. When we're insulting each other you respond within a few seconds, when I say "hey lets be civilized and discuss this" you make one post and lose interest. It makes me think you are more interested in fighting and trolling than actually discussing the issue or changing anybody's mind.
Post by
Rankkor
Everyone ignored my post U_U
Post by
Gone
Everyone ignored my post U_U
No I read it and you were right. It was actually constructive, unlike the other responses of "your stupid, take an acid bath, etc."
I guess I breezed over it because I was mid argument with other people. It's true what they say, people pay more attention to the negative than the positive.
The only things Ill say in correction is that the Avengers movie was based on the Ultimate Marvel universe, where Nick Fury is indeed black. The kingpin thing is a good example, but IIRC people only mentioned that here and there. The Airbender thing was different, there was practically a movement dedicated to that. There was even a website called AangAintWhite or something like that. And yea the majority of these people were more pissed about the break from canon than they were about the racial thing.
One final contradiction I gotta make is that Bullseye was also pretty awesome in the Daredevil movie. I know a lot of people complained about him, but I liked it Xp.
Post by
Rankkor
The kingpin thing is a good example, but IIRC people only mentioned that here and there.
And the reason people only mentioned that here and there, was because the actor was actually good. So people were skeptical at first, but were utterly convinced otherwise once they saw him in action. He nailed the role, he knew how to do it, this was a case of the actor being chosen by skill, not by ethinicity. The same CANNOT be said about Shyalaman's casting role.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM sucks, therefore his excuse of "skill before race" is nothing more than a lie, he simply didn't wanted to make a movie with asian protagonists. Notice how he had absolutely no problem with using asians as extras or background characters (Which makes the movie even more stupid, so Katara and Sokka........err I'm sorry, "soaakkaa" are the only 2 Caucasians in an ENTIRE VILLAGE made of Eskimos?)
The Airbender thing was different, there was practically a movement dedicated to that. There was even a website called AangAintWhite or something like that.
Because it was a pointless change, as was most of the changes made, such as bending needing exaggerated and overcomplicated movements to produce just the tiniest amounts of elements, the names being changed, the races being changed, ect. Its understandable that when compressing something large into something small, some adaptations have to be made, for example, Tom Bombadil was cut out entirely from the lord of the rings movie, was was Glorfindel U_U. But imagine the outcry if Gimli was called Gemilie, then rather than have a full dwarven beard, he was fully shaven, no scottish accent, he wore a pair of daggers, and rather than cast a decent actor, they grabbed a chinese schmuck that can't act for crap? Then repeat that for Aragorn, Gandalf, Frodo, Sam, Pippin, Merry, Legolas, and Boromir.
You bet every LOTR fan out there would had been rightfully upset at Peter Jackson.
And yea the majority of these people were more pissed about the break from canon than they were about the racial thing.
Damn right they were, as I said, I would had been ok with the casting choice if they were at least competent actors, but they weren't, proving that the director was just a racist prick who didn't wanted any asians starring in his movie.
One final contradiction I gotta make is that Bullseye was also pretty awesome in the Daredevil movie. I know a lot of people complained about him, but I liked it Xp.
No argument there, the actual Daredevil movie was lackluster, but the main reason I still own it and watch it from time to time is presicely the bad guys. Kingpin and Bullseye STOLE the movie from Daredevil and Elektra who were supposed to be the protagonists. Colin Farrel obviously was having a ton of fun playing bullseye, and his gloriously hammy performance is one of the biggest highlights of the movie.
As for Kingpin, as I said, the dude was black, but there's not a person on this world who could had done a more impressive Kingpin. Period.
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