Fury DW level 60 Warrior in the making... need your help.

Post by catho

Hi all,

So I am currently working on a DW fury warrior (now level 25) for Alterac Valley, mainly to be a killing machine.

So, before I get flamed for stopping at 60 - Why stop at level 60? I don't own BC, don't plan on getting WOTLK, because I don't want WoW to run my life again :) Just want to play for fun, since I'm all about PvP.

Well, my main is a hunter and after I respecced survival for about 2 weeks I realized I needed to have a warrior and saw huge potential in the possibility of dual mongoose as when I was survival on my hunter, it would proc just about every battle... and I was getting 1300 dmg crits off of my fist weapons.

Now mind you, this WILL be a level 60 'twink' warr.

Sadly, though, I don't quite understand some of the effectiveness of the warrior talent points. I will be focusing on huge DPS.

This is the spec I am currently aiming for, but want to rework because I feel as if it could be done better:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warrior/talents.html?tal=320200000000000000000000505311052501025312012000000000000000000000

I have a few questions about the fury talent tree:

Cleave - I currently have 3 points in this, and it adds 11 damage. Is this truly that horrible of an ability? That it only ups my damage by 11? is this multiplied in any way?

Improved berserker stance - I seem to remember multipliers for AP do not stack with bonuses from items. If this is actually worth it, please tell me.

Slam - is this an instant attack move like execute or is it like heroic strike? worth it? I can't see to come to a solid conclusion.

What will be the most effective way to produce DPS with DW (by hitting extremely hard, and quickly, not with moves like rend/etc)

I'll be using fist weapons, and fist weapons cannot be disarmed (this is why I use them, lol) so I see little point (2% reduce chance to dodge would be nice, but not worth 2 points if that is the only gain) in speccing in weapon mastery.

If you have any insight, and it isn't "LOL UR SPEC SUX LURN2PLAY NOOB" I'd greatly appreciate it. I'd like to think I knew what I was doing on my hunter, and when i respecced survival and people gave me crap for getting dual mongoose as opposed to 40 agi- I knew they didn't understand the effectiveness of instants in PvP.

If you do understand the effectiveness of instants, please respond as your insight concerning a warrior is VERY IMPORTANT TO ME and I would be greatly appreciative!

This char, I'm hoping, will be that "every two min holy crap stay away from him" deal.

Thank you,
Cath

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Post by catho

Sweet, thanks so much for the info on the warrior specs. I'll get rid of cleave, and look into intercept - I like both of the specs posted, thank you much. I am going to read more but my immediate feel is to respond to the hunter Q's :

about the hunter:

I guess you would have to had watch me play when I had the dual mongoose... but when I t would proc, with aspect of the monkey I'd have about a 50% dodge rate... and I had deterance, so it would go off, i'd hit deterance, and noone could touch me.

The melee hunter was very fun, I only lost ONCE in a 1 on 1 fight against one of the most twinked out warriors I had ever fought against, and I only i got him down to about 10% life before he killed me.

When I was survival I could tank 2 good rogues, 3 crappy ones at a time. No one could beat me in melee, haha. Same thing with the warriors, and I would easily down all hunters.

I think what some people think is that when speccing survival, you would still use the bow as a primary weapon... so yes, the mongoose proc wuoldn't make sense.

Except i would only use the bow WHEN the mongoose procced - i'd step back and fire a multishot with 600+ agi. then go back to melee. It's a nice feel.

But I had to stop because I couldn't play in the large zergs with out getting over targetted, and there were 17 hunters on alliance game after game - Stuns raped me, too.

As survival I had about 8k HP buffed at lvl 60. When I was super buffed (battle standard, the 2 min buff from galv, etc) I remember a few times having over 11k hp.

It's a really fun spec, too. About 100x tmore satisfying than marks, but not nearly as effective.

Post by catho

Just talking about survival again makes me want to respec it... so much fun. And hilarious meleeing down warriors/rogues, SO satisfying.

edit:

bagwell, after looking over both the specs - i really like the one you presented, and I see how you have the 2% extra damage due to not getting Dodged... but I think for now I am going to put those points into improved bloodrage.

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Post by Frederic

So I am currently working on a DW fury warrior (now level 25) for Alterac Valley, mainly to be a killing machine.

Almost every pvp talent has been removed out of the fury tree, and mediocre burst DPS means that anything that can heal can flash spam their way through your damage. Fury is often worse than protection in pvp. At level 60 you won't even be able to compensate with gear unless you still have guilds actively doing Blackwing Lair and Naxxramas on a regular basis.

Cleave - I currently have 3 points in this, and it adds 11 damage. Is this truly that horrible of an ability? That it only ups my damage by 11? is this multiplied in any way?

Yes, pure concentrated terrible.

Improved berserker stance - I seem to remember multipliers for AP do not stack with bonuses from items. If this is actually worth it, please tell me.

Best points (aside from your instants, of course) in the fury tree.

Slam - is this an instant attack move like execute or is it like heroic strike? worth it? I can't see to come to a solid conclusion.

1.5 second cast, resets your swing time on both weapons. For two-handers if talented, otherwise it's counter-productive.

I'll be using fist weapons, and fist weapons cannot be disarmed (this is why I use them, lol) so I see little point (2% reduce chance to dodge would be nice, but not worth 2 points if that is the only gain) in speccing in weapon mastery.

Fist weapons can be disarmed last time I checked.

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