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Post by
Coldkil
there are much things to take in consideration.
first of all karazhan is a 10man, so not much buffs (many ppl call it badgezhan now). much part of the encounters are very fast, so the burst damage of sublety is more effective than the sustained damage of combat.
anyway this doesnt make sublety a good pve spec.
combat needs some seconds to do his full damage, and will outdps every other spec in the long fights(bosses). thrash mobs are thrash, i dont even consider the damage on them.
dont take your ap as more ap=more damage. if it was like that, feral druids will do 3 times our damage, and this is not the case. combat specs (especially sword) need a huge amount of hit rating, sometimes passing other offensive stats. playing a rogue is not building up amount of ap, hit, agi or whatever else, is using his abilities in the best way. every situation is different, so u need to use your abilities in different ways.
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KidB
Let's see. You lost 190 attack power, but gained: precision, improved slice and dice, dual wield spec, blade flurry, sword spec, aggression, adrenaline rush, combat potency, surprise attacks. No-brainer to me :)
Also, the damage loss is most likely your fault. Take some time to get used to combat.
Post by
messiah77
generally speaking if you go sub in raiding you are only really benefiting yourself. As an example a sub tree rogue would have higher personal dps against a combat specc'd rogue, however the combat spec rogue will pump out alot more overall damage done and suffers a dps loss. As a raiding rogue myself the only benefit that a sub tree rogue offers to a raid is hemo ability but after trying it in a SSC raid it didn't make a whole lot of differance to overall raid dps. Basically if you are doing a pug kara and at the end can say "look at my dps its 750" yes people look up and think, yea lets invite him again, but if they look at the overall damage done column and it reads you came 4th they aren't going to be that impressed.
i dont think ive written what i want to say that well, but the point i am trying to make is to go sub tree for pve/raiding it means you are being selfish towards your own personal dps whereas a combat spec rogue is helping the raid by pumping out alot more damage done overall at a lack of personal dps. I know which spec rogue most raid leaders would choose if they had to pick one to fill last spot of a raid :P
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160055
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Post by
messiah77
if u read wot i wrote i said sub rogues will beat a combat swords rogue in personal dps (you know the first number on most dmg meters) but combat rogues will always win in overall damage done (normally the second number on most dmg meters), learn to read what people write if i were you before replying to it.
PS. i have raided SSC as a hemo rogue to try it out and as i already wrote the overall raid dmg increase was negliable, but i suppose you didn't read that part either, so how you can say combat rogues are the selfish ones is beyond me. You need to be combat to actually offer a raid something, and the only thing rogues are good at is damage, if you can't do damage and come outside of top5 then you there's no point being in any T4, T5, T6 raid environments.
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105944
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Post by
messiah77
try reading the rest of the sentence then, "to try it out", i tested it to see how much of a difference it made and the answer is negliable so the answer to the very original thread post is no its not worth going sub to pve.
ps. does anyone actually read the whole of what people write or stop at the part they think sounds anal and writes a reply..
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Post by
drewidice
PS. i have raided SSC as a hemo rogue
after reading this i disregarded everything else you said
As everyone else has said, past really early t5 a hemo/combat spec isn't enough dps/raid utility to make up for the lack of damage on bosses.
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107997
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Post by
messiah77
EDIT: I can sort of see what your point is. DPS versus overall (example being 1050 DPS, 160k dmg done, as a rough example). And while Sub has plenty of burst to pull nice numbers on trash...boss fights are where the loot is. Combat will always be better in a raid scenario. Sub lacks sustainability in anything beyond a 10 or 15-second encounter.
yea thats what i meant, probably the way i was writing it didn't make sense about the personal dps compared to overall dmg done, but what you said does :)
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