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Post by
k0rr
"In addition to this change, we also needed to address the "mana battery" roles in a raid. The mana regeneration effect they grant is no longer limited to their own party, and it no longer depends on the amount of damage they deal. Each time they trigger the mana regeneration effect, 10 people in their raid group will receive a buff which causes them to regenerate 0.5% of their maximum mana each second. This buff, Replenishment, will be given preferentially to raid members with the lowest mana, but will re-evaluate which raid members receive it each time it is fired. Replenishment is provided by Shadow Priests, Survival Hunters, and Retribution Paladins. "
both disc and holy priests are looking damn sexy in the xpac. good, since shadow priests dont seem to be needed as much.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=bVGhzhxtb0qxuiZfxt0c
deep disc
-pw:shield will really ^&*! people off in pvp and be a huge lifesaver in pve
-grace
-spirit buff
-power infusion
-pain suppression
-last point in either holy nova or penance (though penance is getting changed so it might be a lot more useful when wotlk is released)
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=bVG0zhZfxxccMqihVcst
deep holy
-unmatched healing power
-super clearcasting from talents (16% + 60% spell haste when it procs)
-guardian spirit, CoH, spirit of redemption
both trees are gonna make it ridiculously hard to kill whatever the priest is healing.
which talent trees are you guys looking to use in the xpac?
Post by
oddbrown
I am planning to stay holy (may even level that way) and use the new and improved
Lolwell
too.
Personally I love healing and I'm seeing some really positive changes to the holy and disc talent trees.
Haven't really set my heart on a spec yet, but I have been playing around with a few ideas.
Serendipity
is looking pretty nice from a raid healing perspective. After all, with more than 1 healer on tanks, chances are you will have a certain amount of overhealing, so getting your mana back from "wasted" heals will make things a lot better on the regen front for some of the more healer intensive fights.
Test of Faith
also looks pretty handy for tank healing. After all, we've all had those moments where the tank takes a crit/crushing and had to heal like a madman to top him back up. Getting extra healing bonus when people are below 50% is definitely something worth exploring.
In fact, it is going to be hard not to just cram all my talents into the holy tree. With so many good choices available I can see the cookie cutters will take some time to work out.
Some of the talents are very situational, but most are hard to beat (on paper).
It would be good to see some feedback from the beta testers in good time for us to see what works, and how spellpower will change things too.
Post by
k0rr
some of the talents got a bit updated. disc tree's shield talents got nerfed a bit. grace gives -3% damage fully stacked instead of -6%. pw:shield reflects 45% of the damage back instead of 50%. however penance got buffed to give 3 ticks in 2 seconds (the first tick is basically instant). and focused power now increases your healing.
if i end up going deep disc i'm going with...
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?priest=503230013050512200132503105123505000030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
if i'm going deep holy i would go with...
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?priest=503200013000000000000000000023505003030115053005031351000000000000000000000000000
with 3 points to place in either improved shield or serendipity. i would put it in shield because i've had enough years of pre-casting practice to minimalize my overhealing that the points spent wouldnt justify its use.
overall i think healing as a priest in wotlk is gonna be great fun. i'm leaning on deep disc for those annoying shields in BGs xD.
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Post by
Percy1
Trying to do a 23/48 spec is just a bad idea. You really need to pick a tree and just go with it, both have absolutely amazing talents in their lowest tiers.
And holy crap get Improved Holy Concentration! Its the best talent on the whole holy tree right now.
My Holy Build :
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=bVMhzhZfbxcfzqVuVIst
My Disc Build (work in progress):
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=bVMhuhxtrxoisRtfx0c
Post by
oddbrown
Trying to do a 23/48 spec is just a bad idea. You really need to pick a tree and just go with it, both have absolutely amazing talents in their lowest tiers.
I would have to disagree with this satement.
The first 20 to 23 points in Discipline will still help PvE holy priests with their mana conservation.
With the changes to the cost of spells there will be no more downranking so mana efficiency will be even more important.
Not having Meditation or Inner focus or Mental Agility would be asking for wipes as you would go oom faster than ever.
There are not enough mana efficiency talents deep in holy to justify not reducing the cost of Renew, PoM, CoH, PW:S (or SW:P and SW:D) all of which benefit from Mental Agility.
I also see from the "Holy Build" that you have points in imp PW:S and none in Unbreakable Will.
Personally I would rather increase my stun/fear/silence resistance and having spells that are harder to dispell (not to mention reducing my threat) instead of increasing my healing by 5% and adding 15% to a hugely inefficient spell.
And holy crap get Improved Holy Concentration! Its the best talent on the whole holy tree right now.
In contrast, this is one of the most sensible statements I have seen in this thread. This new talent will definitely make healing easier (providing it procs ofc). My only concern now is that the tooltip indicates an increase in haste. Is this an indication that spell haste will become more important for holy priests?
I think that if I go IDS I would end up with something like
this
or if I dont use IDS I can see
this
being my choice. However, without having played the beta or tried these deep holy talents out, nothing is set in stone.
I would still like to see some input from priests who are using the Beta at the moment. As we all know, some talents look great on paper, but suck in game!
Post by
Percy1
I also see from the "Holy Build" that you have points in imp PW:S and none in Unbreakable Will.
Personally I would rather increase my stun/fear/silence resistance and having spells that are harder to dispell (not to mention reducing my threat) instead of increasing my healing by 5% and adding 15% to a hugely inefficient spell.
Silent Resolve is a valid choice in comparison to Improved Power Word Shield. I just have a preference towards the shield talent since I personally consider silent resolve mostly useless.
As for Twin Disciplines, I remember I was thinking to myself "Finally, a tier one talent that absolutely NO ONE can mess up" Not even an hour later I saw your spec. Unbreakable Will is a PvP talent. Its even worse now then it used to be for PvE since it doesn't even increase resists, it just lowers the duration of the effect. That huge gheal you were in the process of casting will still get interrupted by the boss's aoe silence or stun. (But you might only be stunned for 2.75 seconds instead of 3!). Its an awful horrible talent for PvE unless there are a LOT of boss fights that feature huge silences/stuns/fears.
Even if it was a good talent then you should drop something else and still get Twin Disciplnes, 5% more healing really should be a no-brainer.
I guess...you could do a 23/48 build in wotlk. I don't like it much though but it can work I suppose.
This
would be my spec. Make sure to get 5/5 Empowered healing and 3/3 Serendipity. Those talents are some of the best holy has to offer in addition to improved holy concentration.
Post by
oddbrown
As for Twin Disciplines, I remember I was thinking to myself "Finally, a tier one talent that absolutely NO ONE can mess up" Not even an hour later I saw your spec. Unbreakable Will is a PvP talent. Its even worse now then it used to be for PvE since it doesn't even increase resists, it just lowers the duration of the effect. That huge gheal you were in the process of casting will still get interrupted by the boss's aoe silence or stun. (But you might only be stunned for 2.75 seconds instead of 3!). Its an awful horrible talent for PvE unless there are a LOT of boss fights that feature huge silences/stuns/fears.
I stand corrected. Having actually read the tooltip now I can see your point.
Live
Unbreakable Will
vs WotLK
Unbreakable Will
. A subtle, yet important difference!
On that principle
Twin Disciplines
is by far the better talent!
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Post by
murakaz
Just looked at Guardian Spirit again; has it been changed, or is the WotLK calculator just bugged? It's currently listing
this
as the 51 pt Holy Talent, as opposed to
this
which I thought it was meant to be. Might just be the beta calc getting confused, since the first spell seems to be the "proc" effect of the latter spell.
When they updated the calculator they linked the wrong spell to that talent, probably just out of confusion since they share the same name and icon. The spell hasn't changed since the last build and the spell linked is probably the spell that appears in the combat log once the sacrifice triggers.
Post by
razzem
I know that Imp DS is very nice, but at the same time, I don't think hybrid builds that include it will have anywhere near the healing capabilities of the new level 80 full holy build.
For starters, you miss out on Divine Providence... 10% more healing from CoH and PoM is insane, these are some of your most potent AND efficient heals. Not only that, but it works in conjunction with Test of Faith when targets are below 50% health. HUGE healing output. Serendipity is another amazing mp efficiency talent for the Holy Priest. With Serendipity and Imp Holy Concentration, there is no need for Mental Agility because you're saving tons more mp on your big heals AND getting mp back from the 5sR to boot.
If you take Imp DS, it means that you lose 4 talent points between Serendipity, Imp Holy Concentration, and Test of Faith. It also means that you lose out on all of Divine Providence.
I suppose we will see how things shake out, but I don't see the hybrid DS build working as well as a full holy build.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=bVMh0hZfxx0fMqVhVIsx
I see this as the most standard build for Holy PvE priests, with a couple points to left to throw at whatever you think will be best, Holy Nova, Lightwell, Guardian Spirit, or Inner Focus. I'll take Lightwell and G.Spirit, but I'm sure everyone has different thoughts.
It sucks that Imp DS isn't in the Holy Tree.
Post by
oddbrown
I agree that it would be better if IDS were in the Holy tree. I think it would provide a much better utlilty for us holy priests. I guess the kinks will get worked out over the few patches after WotLK though, as people try out different specs and blizz works out what does and doesn't work.
Having looked at your spec there are a few things I would disagree on.
I personally do not see the benefit of Imp PW:S in comparison with Silent Resolve. Never have done and, unless PW:S gets a serious makeover for non reflective version, never will (a personal perference I guess).
I see there is a point left over. I would definitely put that into Inner Focus. It's not even a question.
I am sceptical with regards to your lack of
Mental Agility
. 10% reduction in mana cost for all instants is quite reasonable for 5 talent points IMHO.
How you get there is entirely up to you, as with SR being reduced to 3 points instead of 5, and Imp IF and Absolution being switched, things are not as straight forward as they used to be on the road to MA.
Now that
Lightwell
is being significantly buffed and still scales with spellpower. I would say it will once again prove more useful than it has been, and may well be worth a single talent point just to check it out.
Empowered Healing
has also been significantly buffed and is a no-brainer. 40% extra for Gheal for 5 measly talent points? Yes pls!
Divine Providence
seems to be the new Empowered healing, and I would hesitate to put points into it personally if I could still reach
Guardian Spirit
without it.
As a result my potential spec will end up loking something like
this
.
I have not put a point in CoH as I think it is situationally brilliant, and until I see which situations those are, I am not going to spec for it.
It may be that Lightwell still sucks and CoH is still OP in which case
this
would be more appropriate (although then you would need to work in
Divine providence
somehow to get the most from your CoH and I can't think of 5 points i'd like to loose from anywhere else).
But hey, specs are personal, and whatever spec works best for your playstyle is the best spec for you. Simple as.
N.B. the 1 point in
Martyrdom
is purely to get me to Mental Agility. It may be better put in any of the other 1st or 2nd tier Disc talents, but I am not sure if 3% reduction in fear/stun/silence duration is better than a 50% chance to get zero pushback for 6 secs after a crit.
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