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The Worst Moments of Being a Healer...
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Post by
Korpimieli
I just had mine today! Nobody waited for me to have my drinks and just rushed forward ignoring my warnings. Again, just a minute later when I was drinking mana, the tank pulled again. I told him then he should wait for me. Then they all asked me to buff them. I said I willl but am afraid they will pull the mobs while I'm doing it. Well, I started buffing and once I was with less than half mana bar, they pulled.
I said you have to consider me at least the minimum. They said "Don't Cry!"
At this stage when we got to the boss I didn't feel like healing all that much... Why should I heal arrogant people who care about only themselves?
Post by
GenXCub
You have to be strong, and just say "if you won't wait for me to drink, then I'm done" and leave the party. It's WAY tougher to replace a healer than it is a DPS.
Recognize bad players and get out of their groups. I know you blew some time trying to figure it out, but it's better than staying the whole instance and wasting more.
Post by
malikeye
Par for the course...
Healers are the one "class" that absolutely rely on mana. If the rest of the group wants to wipe, let 'em. Sit back and laugh at it a bit, wait till you get to the boss that the tank "absolutely needs the shield" from or something, and then bail. Let them find another healer to abuse. From the sounds of it, they would do it to you...
:)
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Post by
Korpimieli
Thanks for the advice and support, mates! :-) I had a bad feeling about this group even before we started. Next time I will listen to my instinct...
What would you say is the MINIMUM for a decent group? I´d say:
- You wait for the group members to get ready for a battle (mana)
- You do buffing to get the most out of the group
- You plan the pulls and are careful about them
- You know your role in the group and stick to it at least until´ the point something else is needed
- You don´t NEED items if not necessary
Post by
Eliandor
I've been in a handful of raids where people where people either showed up sporadically or were just plain incompetent to the point of grinding teeth. Then there are the nightmare 5-mans where I'd get a hunter suggesting i use downranked Flash Heal instead of GH7 on an undergeared tank that's taking 3k DPS from thrashing mobs that are hitting his back.
I can definitively say that PvE realms have the widest range of bad players.
Post by
Jacko87
I've had that happen to me a few times, I've got less than 1000 mana and everyone wants to pull while I'm drinking. They start pulling and I said fine, no heals until I finish drinking then. And then on another five man, this shadow priest keeps getting mad at me because I "let him die" a few times. I'm sorry but a shadow priest who doesn't bubble himself is not my priority. You're going to die every once in a while and I'll res you. But he kept getting mad so I pulled a group of mobs and wiped everyone and left...that is a great feeling...
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Post by
k0rr
most of the time with a well geared tank and manna biscuits, i usually drink after every pull, even if i'm at 90% mana, get 3-4 ticks of drinking in so i'm almost always near full mana. as a druid (feral), i try to innervate my priest and resto druid healers whenever the cooldown is up. and as a holy priest i burn my shadowfiend on every cooldown unless we're 5 minutes away from a boss fight where i think i may need it (though like i said with a good enough tank you wouldnt need it)
use your abilities to keep your mana up. if it takes 20 minutes to get to the next boss, then you'd be able to burn shadowfiend 3 times and still have it up for the boss fight. thats 3 full mana bars without drinking.
tanks always set the pace of your instance. and i'm sick of tanks who take forever to pull (this comes from warriors more than druids or paladins). yes i expect you to wait for me when i'm below 20% mana but a good healer paired with a well geared tank shaves off more than 30m+ when doing heroics.
when i'm tanking on my druid i only go off healer mana. of course i wont pull if you're below 10-20% mana, but i expect every mana user (healer or dps) to drink after every pull, 90% mana or not. you can continue to drink as i'm making the next pull. use that split second when you exit combat and click your manna biscuits icon. mage water is free, and you can stock up 80 of them almost anytime by joining a BG. i find myself finishing instances like heroic mech with just 10 waters down from 80, even if the instance took 30-45 mins, because i'm burning waters for just 5-10% of mana per drink.
i find paladin tanks are the best for heroics because they tend to chain pull until their oom, which is around the same time that you're oom. so when you're playing a holy/disc priest paired with a prot pally he will stop after every 7-8 pulls to drink, and there's your cue.
Post by
Korpimieli
It is not that I'm slowing the group down all that much because of my drinking. It´s also about being careful, just like kubwulf said and considering the other players the minimum. I also want to see what´s going on, and don't like it if the group is already behind a corner and leaving me to a patrol or something...
If nobody is interested in my mana situation and just say "don´t cry", I don't wanna be in that kinda group. I don't feel like running after immature idiots, trying to save their ignorant asses. They can heal themselves.
Lilflip, you think a healers job is to be like a mum who keeps her little babies alive nursing? Running after their little baby steps with a loving grin on her face? Whatever you say, my little babies, I embrace you with my unconditional LOVE: ;-)
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Post by
oddbrown
Then again must healers always have to be full mana before every single pull?
Seriously get some mp5, stop wasting our time. Only time you should drink is after a boss fight or a horrible pull.
No, healers shouldn't need a full mana bar before each and every pull
if
a) the tank is well geared and can hold agro
b) the CC does their job well
c) noone gets crit/crushed
I don't know about you, but I certainly didn't find much of that when I first got into outlands.
The kind of attitude you show Lilflip00 is the kind of attitude that causes wipes.
Priests get less benefit from mp5 than they do from Spirit (which provides mp5 for us too).
If you had looked a little deeper into this forum you would know that Korpimieli has asked many times about the right spec for a holy priest and received a lot of advice from experienced players (i.e. he is still learning). As he is running early outlands instances there is very little mp5 healer gear knocking about and most of it is not cloth.
I am aware that many tanks need to keep their rage up and can't hang around waiting for mana after every single pull. In contrast, a healer without mana will mean noone gets heals. If you can't spare 20secs to let a healer drink then go solo quest or do PvP and stop trying to group with people when you aren't prepared to work with them.
Korpimieli, as others have said here, you will always find groups where things go horribly wrong and noone listens to you. You have 2 choices, sit it out and chalk it up to experience, or leave that group and get another one.
Whichever you decide to do, remember that your realm is a comunity and that players talk to one another. You may not want to leave every nab group you come across, as you may get a bad reputation that means you can't get a group anywhere.
Try to find a reliable tank you can trust to work with you. They exist on every server (somewhere) so just keep pugging and adding the good players to your friends list. There may be a good mage who is a reliable sheeper, or a lock who always soulstones you without needing to be asked. Yes these players are rare, but they do exist, so use your friends list to keep in contact with them.
Also (if you haven't already) read the Elitist Jerks Holy Priest Section (link can be found in the FAQ v2 thread). It gives you some handy tips on how to conserve mana.
You shouldn't need a full mana bar for each pull. I tend to drink if I am below 60-70%. The trick is to work around the 5 second rule, use your mana fiend, hope like mad that clearcasting procs and use Inner Focus directly after it. This rotation should keep you going for a while.
As for groups pulling after buffs, before you get mana back, well they deserve to die for not realising that buffs cost mana!
Don't rebuff them after you have made them corpse run back. If they are retarded enough to think these things are free then they won't learn the easy way.
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Korpimieli
Thanks for your thoughts, Oddbrown!
It didn't feel nice to leave the group, but they were just so arrogant it made me irritated. And once I am more irritated than enthusiastic, it´s not as easy to heal your best. I kinda don't feel like trying my best. It's like let them die.
What actually happened first was that after ignoring my "mana" warning, the group rushed forward. I sat there drinking and a patrol came and killed me. After Shaman resurrected me, the tank pulled straight away without waiting for me to capture my health and mana again. That is just plain stupid, don't you think? I had to use mana potion to keep them alive. Straight after that came the pull while I was buffing. Then the "don´t cry!", me getting irritated, a boss fight and a wipe. :-)
(And for the record, I've healed that boss fight many times without any problems...)
I will not leave a group easily. For me WoW is about good feeling. If I have a really bad feeling, it sure affects my playing. I´ve left groups only twice, and it has always been about playing without discipline. I hope my reputation ain´t bad yet... Many have actually said I am an excellent healer and wanna play with me again which is always nice to hear. :-)
Post by
oddbrown
Sounds like you're doing it right Korpimieli.
If you get compliments then I expect those people would be happy to group with you again!
It sounds like you joined a very bad group with poor communication skills. We've all been there. I can't count the number of times I have been asked to join a group to heal only to discover the tank can't tank and the dps don't have a clue about their agro management or how to dps the same target and I'm meant to keep them all to gether and stop them dying!
The important thing is that people
do
want to play with you again. That is a sure sign you are doing things the right way.
Considering all the information you have given us about the run in question I would have left that group or told them to shut up. You will always find idiots in WoW, it's just a pain when they're in your group (or spamming general/trade channel).
Keep grouping with the good players, and try to remember the names of the bad ones so you don't group with them by mistake again.
P.S. +rep for the excellent comback! I'd make it my signature if I were you!
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