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Post by
Keibi
Not to bash you or anything, but PW:S is like your bread and butter together with Penance
Post by
Zoltare68
Great post all, I am currently a 68 level holy priest but after reading these threads i realize i heal more as a disc priest than holy.
I shield my tank prior to pull and reapply when i can, keep renew up on them all the time to even damage and use Fheal to fill the gaps.
So i am thinking of switching to Disc, to match my playstyle. What changes do i need to make to my gear to mazimise Disc.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonblight&n=Holtare
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Or should i just ride it out a little more till Northrend and get new gear?
Thanks again.
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Post by
Samanosuke
New Talent: Soul Warding: Reduces the cooldown of your Power Word: Shield ability by 4 sec., and reduces the mana cost of your Power Word: Shield by 30%.
Holy crap....A PW:S that can be cast as fast as your GCD allows?
Based on a 1.5sec GCD, this is like 3-4 PW:S in the same span of time (if Borrowed Time effects your GCD....not sure).
This is 3-4X the output on PW:S, and at a decreased cost!
Divine Aegis - Divine Aegis effects will now stack, however the amount absorbed cannot exceed 125*level (of the target).
Divine Aegis that stacks up to10,000. There is no way I could complain.
Grace: Duration increased to 15 seconds, but now is only limited to one target.
EDIT:
I just tested it on the PTR and it seems that either Blizzard has forgotten to change it, it's bugged or the patch notes are wrong. Currently all targets keep Grace for 15 seconds.
If it stays this way, Grace could prove to be even more useful, not just for the dmg reduction but the healing bonus it provides.
Glyph of Penance *new* -- Reduces the cooldown of Penance by 2 sec.
Enough said...
Rapture (Tier 8 ) revamped. Now a 3 point talent. When your Power Word: Shield is completely absorbed or dispelled you are instantly energized with 1.5/2.0/2.5% of your total mana, and you have a 33/66/100% chance to energize your shielded target with 2% total mana, 8 rage, 16 energy or 32 runic power.
This effect cannot occur once every 12 seconds.
Since the 12 second limiter applies ONLY to the 2% total mana, 8 rage, 16 energy or 32 runic power given to other targets.
For comparison:
With a 20k mana pool, a FULLY EFFECTIVE penance would give somewhere around 440 mana. Given a 2sec cast, this is ~ 1100 MP5.
A fully effective Flash Heal would give ~190 mana. Given a 1.5sec cast, this is ~633 MP5
A fully absorbed PW:S will return 500 mana based on a 20k mana pool. Given a 1.5sec GCD, this is ~1666MP5. This is a bit harder in some instances because it will only be returned if the shield if fully used, but for other cases, such as spamming shileds before a vortex...you will actually recieve a HUGE series of mana gains.
HOWEVER
, PW:S is now our primary spell (next to penance). It's cost has been reduced by 30% to compensate, so it's really not that big of a deal. Penance is already dirt cheap, and Flash Heal is getting its cost reduced further.
*New Talent* Improved Flash Heal, Tier 7, 3 point talent - Reduces the mana cost of your Flash Heal by 5/10/15%, and increases the critical effect chance of your Flash Heal by 4/7/10% on friendly targets at or below 50% health.
The reduced cost will help Disc in its mana longevity.
The crit is pretty damn nice as well (understatement).
Meditation (Tier 3) now increases mana regeneration by 17/33/50%. (Previously 10/20/30%)
This should help with regen a little bit....or not considering the new mana regen model.
Focused Will (Tier 7) now increases spell critical strike chance by 1/2/3% in addition to its previous effect.
Although we have gained 4 extra talent points now that enlightenment and rapture are 3 points talents (down from 5).
This will be taken by Improved Flash Heal (3 point talent) and Soul Warding (1 point)
It's still a little too PvP-y to be taken for PvE IMO.
Power Infusion: This effect now has a new spell effect and sound.
Kinda curious about this. Anyone able to see what it does?
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Post by
Keibi
lol Ziroc sup mate? :D
And yeah crit just got more value through stacking DA but less value because of the rapture nerf... i think crit remains at its current stat level while spirit and mp5 go way up seeing its harder to regen in 3.1.
Keibi out
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Ethix
Edit:
Just for the hell of it...Here is the recount from this nights KT clear (1shot'd)
http://i39.tinypic.com/kcdn4n.jpg
First set is someone else's recount (no shields)
2nd set is recount including shields as effective.
When I first started to play disc, I downloaded that recount and looked forward to owning the meters based on your recount ss's. I don't use it anymore, Skada is a much more fluid meter and uses 1/20th the memory.
However, unless the encounter is 3 drake sarth or patchwerk or our holy paladin specs ret if we have too many healers-- I'm always dead last. For emphasis, I am NOT a bad player. If I'm in a pug, I dominate the meters. Somehow our raid healers are like ninja fast clickers. I'm curious as to how you manage to be top heals. Are you dedicated tank heals for every encounter?
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Samanosuke
Edit:
Just for the hell of it...Here is the recount from this nights KT clear (1shot'd)
http://i39.tinypic.com/kcdn4n.jpg
First set is someone else's recount (no shields)
2nd set is recount including shields as effective.
When I first started to play disc, I downloaded that recount and looked forward to owning the meters based on your recount ss's. I don't use it anymore, Skada is a much more fluid meter and uses 1/20th the memory.
However, unless the encounter is 3 drake sarth or patchwerk or our holy paladin specs ret if we have too many healers-- I'm always dead last. For emphasis, I am NOT a bad player. If I'm in a pug, I dominate the meters. Somehow our raid healers are like ninja fast clickers. I'm curious as to how you manage to be top heals. Are you dedicated tank heals for every encounter?
To confirm...
Are you using Healbot?
It's an addon utility that allows you to heal with the click of a mouse (normal click, alt+click, shift+click, ctrl+click).
Also, the version of recount that was being used, is a modified version that includes shields as effective heal.
Considering in the above screenshot that shields (PW:S and Divine Aegis) accounted for ~40% of my heal amount, its important that you have a version that tracks it.
found here:
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=68238&p=723074#p723074
As for Disc techniques:
I always maintain shields, every CD, on the tanks.
I always place on targets about to die.
Based on judgement, I place on priority targets "just incase". An example would be during phase II of malygos with the scions. A healer who gets pegged while running between bubbles will most likely die. In that case, I will preemptively shield them so if they DO get hit they will still survive.
Specifically for the KT fight:
I PW:S people who get frostblocked (only enough time for 1 w/ its 4 sec CD).
And during Phase III (with bugs), I would preemptively shield some healers (critical targets) before frostblocks as to
1) prevent them from dying
2) allow the other healers to keep up on their tank targets that are tanking the bugs, instead of having to divert heals.
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Post by
Zexela
He simply heal as he does with holy. He just needs more time to explore the disc style ;)
Post by
Keibi
If I understnad correctly come 3.1 that guy will OOM in 30 seconds and stand in the corner crying abou it unless hegoes back to holy where he also will have trouble adapting.
just my opnion
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Post by
Ayeren
lvl 75 shadow priest here who is thinking of turning over to the "light"-side. The only thing stopping me is the questing part, since as a shadow priest everything dies very fast and i'm wondering if disc specc make lvling slower?
As for me, shadow is the best for levelling. I didn't like Disc/Holy levelling, because I want to level fast, with no mana breaks.
I take 1st mob, Dot him (Vampiric Touch(VT), SW:P - order of spells is important!) than MB him, now I take 2nd mob and DoT him (Vampiric, SW:P, Devouring Plague)and mind flay him (3 ticks) and take 3rd mob ((Vampiric, SW:P) and MB. Till now the first mob should be dead and when I aggro the 4th one, I will have only 2 mobs on me, which will die fast. I leveled this way and i neither had a mana break nor any dmg was done to me.
Use Vampiric Embrace as needed :) and OFC, Shield every CD!
Good way for levelling as shadow is to have
talent 2/2 so every 3 min you will have a shadow fiend and use Dispersion also :)
That's all
Ayeren's out!
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Post by
Keibi
Looking at t8 for priests... the 4 set bonus is good, but how are we supposed to get there? Half of it is haste gear... Looks like holy/shadow pick'n'mix again... and my holy raid leader going mental :D
Just no, take another look at our talents and realise that withing the Penance CD we need more GCD = Moar haste.
No crit Synergy (rapture) makes crit go down the drain.
Keibi
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