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A Question for All of you Climate People (Now about Other Stuff!)
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Interest
You realize Al Gore could have easily gotten the democratic nomination and won the presidency for 2008 if had wanted to... right?
As much as I'd like to agree with this statement...done is done...
Post by
MyTie
I disagree with the electoral college, and think Al Gore deserved the presidency due to popular vote, even though I vastly disagree with his ideals.
Back on topic though... He pushed this global warming with such furvor that it is really... misleading. If anything he has hurt the global warming push by politicizing it.
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109094
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Sagramor
Edit:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus
God is able to prevent evil, but he doesn't.
That doesn't make him malevolent, light cannot prevail without darkness.
Evil doesn't come from the Devil. People are evil Mr Constantine. People.
God is but a word. It is irrelevant. What is truly important is what it represents.
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Queggy
If I stand by and watch a woman being beaten to death and it is fully within my power to stop it. What does that make me?
Perhaps by one woman's death 5 people will be saved.
If People are evil and God created people, God therefore created evil. That is counter to God being all loving. I wouldn't really say God "created" evil
per se
, He created us and the angels with free will, thereby giving us the ability to choose. Would you want to be worshiped and fellowship with mindless robots or thoughtful caring people?
I actually quite agree with this. I see God as more of an ideal than an actual entity.
I think what Saggy Moose was trying to say is that God is and actual person, but the name "God" is just something we humans call him. We can not fathom all of him. It's like trying to imagine what infinity is like. You have an idea, but you can never really (Hmmm, don't really know how to phrase my words/ideas here) know what it is like. Sort of like why the Jews would call Him YHWE.
Edit - about the weight of stuff we've sent into space, it may be nothing compared to the overall weight of the planet. But that's like saying I could cut out a micro-millimeter of nerves in your brain and would have no effect.
Post by
Skyfire
Can God create a Rock so massive that even he cannot lift it?
A poor proof against God. I'll leave you to read
this article
.
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Skyfire
Edit - about the weight of stuff we've sent into space, it may be nothing compared to the overall weight of the planet. But that's like saying I could cut out a micro-millimeter of nerves in your brain and would have no effect.
No, because all that junk sent into space had nothing to do with the so-called nervous system of the planet. It would be more like cutting a micrometer of skin, which would basically have no effect.
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Queggy
No, because all that junk sent into space had nothing to do with the so-called nervous system of the planet. It would be more like cutting a micrometer of skin, which would basically have no effect.
Wouldn't skin be more like the atmosphere?
Post by
Skyfire
Wouldn't skin be more like the atmosphere?
My point was was that your analogy was even poorer than any of my own attempts. Perhaps a better analogy might be spit, but that would be gross, aye?
Post by
Queggy
Hmmm, can't really think of a body to earth analogy right now, but my main point was that it's probably not that bad, but it's also probably worse than we think.
OH NOES, WEIR GOIN TA CRASH INTA TEH SUN!
Jk.
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Queggy
We can not fathom all of him.
conversely, how can you fathom what you have about him?
If God is infinte and I cannot fathom the whole of him, how can you? How do you
know
that he is all loving? To say you
know
that he is all loving is to assume you know Gods plan, which you have just said that we can't know.
How do we know about infinity? We know it exists, no one can prove it, we accept it on faith, but how do we know any of it? I said we can't know all of God, not His plan for us. You're correct in saying I have no idea what He thinks and everything He does, but he has told as a small part of it.
If I stand by and watch a woman being beaten to death and it is fully within my power to stop it. What does that make me?
Perhaps by one woman's death 5 people will be saved.
How can you possible justify that?
Would you honestly stand by and allow something like that to happen when you knew you could prevent it?
What if it was an infant? Would you stand by and watch an infant harmed? Honestly?
What if it was a loved family member?Should that make a difference?
I would think any person who stands by and let that happen, when it is within there power to prevent it, should be shot.
If one saved Christian allowed themselves to be killed, then maybe by her acts of calmly facing death would change the killer's mind and he would change his ways and accept Christ. That would mean he would no longer kill other people, and there would be another person going to Heaven instead of Hell. I would die myself for you guys if it meant you all accepting Christ.
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Skyfire
A poor proof against God. I'll leave you to read
this article
.
that article is where I read it from.
Its a paradox. If he is omnipotent then he can create something he cant lift, but if he cant lift it then he is not omnipotent.
(this question also mirrors the unstoppable force v's immovable object debate)
Then the force we think is God is not this God.
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Queggy
Dying is taking the easy way out. Dying for a cause is easy, living for it is hard.
I am, my point was if the only way to save you was by me dieing, I would do it.
and that death is the only way to save her killer?
and what about an infant who cannot make the choice of that sacrifice?
My original point when I brought up the whole argument about a women being killed was that we can;t know what God's plan for them might be. Sometimes we should act and sometime we shouldn't, it all depends on the situation.
Infinity is a mathimatical concept, it has been proven to exist though by its very nature is unquantifiable. There is no belief involved. Saying infinity doesnt exist is like saying the number 4 doesnt exist.
Well, if I tinker with you statement a bit, then I get something that is true for me. By the way, I never said infinity didn't exist.
God is a spiritual concept, He has been proven to exist though by His very nature is unquantifiable. There is some belief involved. Saying God doesn't exist is like saying the number 4 doesn't exist.
Also, you say infinity has been proven, but if no one has ever seen what it is like, or experienced it, then wouldn't you be accepting the principal and idea of infinity of faith?
I never said that I knew Gods thinking, simply that what ever his plan is cannot be fathomed (by you or me). And as it cannot be fathomed, how can you assume that it is loving and benveolent? (And it is an assumption you are making and by your own admission is part of an unfathomable plan) Part of His plan cannot be fathomed, but parts He has told as and some of that we can understand. I don't assume he is loving and benevolent, He has told us so and proven it.
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