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A Question for All of you Climate People (Now about Other Stuff!)
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Post by
Jaspirac
The world is on a natural warming cycle, similar to those in the past that have preceded ice ages or cold swings in the other direction. It is fact that human emissions of CO2 are accelerating this warming trend. For an indication of what excessive CO2 can do look at Venus where "the greenhouse effect" is the reason for the extremely high temperatures (not it's distance from the sun).
What we are seeing from the faster warming of the planet- is species of plants and animals that are unable to adapt fast enough to the changing climates and entire eco-systems are on the verge of collapse. The world is built (or intelligently designed-if that's your thing) to change- warm and cool. Volcanoes, wildfires and other natural CO2 and gas emitters are working as intended- humans are not, and the planet will adjust by changing climates, raising sea levels, causing disastrous storms, famines and generally wreaking havoc to the human inhabitants to balance things out. Some would see this as the apocalypse others as a cleansing.
There is nothing to believe- but there is much to understand. Understanding our world and realizing that we share it with billions of other people, plants and animals is the ultimate knowledge and the data being compiled today is just a small piece.
Also- in terms of time- humans have been on this planet for a tiny fraction of the earth's life and have done more damage to the planet than any "thing" before.
Post by
Patty
But there will be an Ice Age soon. The thing is for the World 10 years is NOTHING, scientists are
predicting it'll start to happen in around 100 or 200 years,
wich still is nothing to the world, but so much for us.
We won't see that happen, probably our kids won't see that too. And the climate wa always chaging, obviously,
but right now the temperature is raising a lot faster than it ever was
. In fact, without the action of the humanity, Earth should be cooling, not getting warmer.
How can we be getting warmer, yet still have an Ice Age? Also, scientists "predict" many things. But that doesn't make it true.
I have to go for now, but I'll be back and continue the debate later!
It is getting warmer, that is true.
This means the ice caps are melting, changing the balance in the oceans and lowering the temperature of the seas, making things colder.
Post by
Queggy
The ice melts and reforms every year. We are
not
losing our polar caps.
/wave at Parazell
Good arguments and points to bring up, thanks!
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Post by
Jaspirac
The ice melts and reforms every year. We are
not
losing our polar caps.
/wave at Parazell
Good arguments and points to bring up, thanks!
Yes we are losing our polar ice caps as well as our glaciers. Soon the north pole will be open to shipping through the summer where it was completely iced in all year. Yes- some of it reforms but the melting is increased and the reformation is decreased makes a net loss of polar ice. Visit any major mountain range where there are glaciers and you will see an accelerated loss of ice since the start of the industrial revolution- glaciers like polar caps are supposed to reform or get replenished at the top end- that is not happening anymore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850
http://seagrant.uaf.edu/news/05ASJ/03.25.05canada-ice.html
Go stand in front of a polar bear and tell him his ice isn't melting...
Post by
Queggy
I don't have the necessary grasp of the English language to try to explain everything i think about this subject, but i don't think your statement is really true:
Polar Ice Caps
Wiki really isn't a reliable place for info like that . . .
Bootspurr, as I said, it melts and
reforms
every year. Sure we might have a bit less than we did 50 years ago, but as has been stated before: that is just a short amount of time for the planet. Think of it as the planet breathing. It breathes in every 50 years and it gets slightly warmer. Then it breathes out another 50 years and it gets colder. So the ice may melt now and not reform as much as it lost, but it is just a short term effect.
Edit - What I said to Bootspurr applies to what you said too Jaspirac. Also, I went to Alaska last summer, and a lot of their glaciers are advancing not receding. If I remember correctly, the Harding Ice Field is larger than it has been in recent years. (That may be wrong, can't remember right now.) Also, many people say that proof of glaciers getting smaller is looking at how much they
calf
. Many people might not know this, but calving occurs when too much ice piles up on top and then the weight gets to be too much and pieces break off. So really, the more it calves, the more it is growing.
Post by
Skyfire
Sure we might have a bit less than we did 50 years ago, but as has been stated before: that is just a short amount of time for the planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2007_Arctic_Sea_Ice.jpg
That's a "Sure we might have a bit less"? What are you, nuts?
Post by
Queggy
I only edited my post 2 minute ago, so I'm not sure if you read the latest. But anyways, first off wiki isn't a reliable source. I'm not saying that picture is fake or anything, but Wiki itself is not reliable. Second off, it's like I said in my last post. Think of it as breathing. When you breath in you have a lot of CO2 in your system. Think of that as the ice caps. Then you breath out and you have barely any CO2 (again, think of that as the ice caps). Then you breathe back in and replenish that CO2.
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304510
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Post by
Queggy
Vernadris, 50 years was just an rough guess, I do not how long it takes for the planet to "breathe". But once again I feel I need to stress that breathing point. Also, this planet was not designed to last forever. Sooner or later their will be the apocalypse, and then there will be the second Earth. It's not like the planet is meant to last for a kajibillion years.
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Post by
Jaspirac
We can argue 'round and 'round about this, Queggy, refer to my first post here to see what I mean. To base your "disbelief" about climate change on ice or flawed modern human research is to ignore the truth. The planet is warming "naturally" and humans are accelerating it "artificially". Climates are changing faster than they should and causing mass die-offs of living things- living things=food=life. Ignoring the the effects of 6 billion humans "artificially" changing their environment is a crime we will all pay for. What we are doing is the equivalent of pulling the wood off our walls to warm our house; soon we'll be cold and homeless.
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307081
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Post by
Skyfire
Think of it as breathing. When you breath in you have a lot of CO2 in your system. Think of that as the ice caps. Then you breath out and you have barely any CO2 (again, think of that as the ice caps). Then you breathe back in and replenish that CO2.
You were arguing that the ice caps were breathing seasonally. Now you argue that they're breathing in 30 year increments?
Make up your mind. Either you're wrong on the seasonal changes or wrong in the long run.
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307081
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Post by
Jaspirac
Uber intelligent Velocoraptors will dig up the human bones and civilizations and wonder "What killed these bald creatures?" Answer- ignorance.
It's getting hot in here.
Edit- They will conclude that our brains are too small. "Only the size of a melon= epic fail."
Post by
Patty
It's a short amount of time but since the industrial revolution in the 19th century C02 emissions have drastically increased.
Also, the sea levels are already rising as pacific islands have started disappearing D:
In addition, Siberian parts of Russia has a lot of ice that has trapped methane (yes, fart gas) and if that ice melts the methane will do more damage than all the carbon dioxide is currently doing. We are treading on eggshells tbh.
Post by
Queggy
Sorry it took me so long to respond, my comp crashed.
You were arguing that the ice caps were breathing seasonally. Now you argue that they're breathing in 30 year increments?
Make up your mind. Either you're wrong on the seasonal changes or wrong in the long run.
Sky, I don't believe I ever said 30 years or anything. And if you look at my last post I said that 50 years was just a figure of speech, I have no idea how long it takes for the planet to "breathe". And they breathe both seasonally and in increments. Once again it's like breathing. Does your heart stop while you hold your breath? No, it keeps beating. So think of the seasons as the heart beats and the 50-? years as how long it takes for the body/Earth to breathe in and out.
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