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Laihendi
Except no one wants religion looking over government, because that would be a theocracy.
You fail. That's not where I'm going at all.
Laihendi never said he was replying to you -.-
Post by
Queggy
By the way, I just feel like throwing something random in
Cities of Sodom and Gomorrae (or however you spell them)
Doing things "god" doesn't like, ergo, god kills the whole lot of them without mercy.
Peace and love my feathery moonkin rear end
Is it really love to let them hurt themselves like that?
Lets say you have perfect peace and love for anyone. You have a wife named Zoey. One day while cleaning up your room you find a diary with Zoey's name on it. Naturally you are curious and therefore read it to see what it says. Inside you find a plan in which your wife Zoey will kill your little son Bobby and then commit suicide. But of course you love her so much you'll just let her do whatever she thinks is fine and dandy. Two days later you are a widower with a dead son and the police are investigating everything you have ever done.
Is that really love to let them do whatever they want even if it is harmful? That is why God destroyed Soddom and Gamorra. That is why a father spanks a child when he does something wrong. Yes the childs butt will hurt for a bit, but the father is trying to teach the child a valuable lesson of what not to do. Does this mean that since the father spanked the child he doesn't love it? No! On the contrary, he loves it enough that he can not just let it harm itself without taking action.
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Random0098
That is why a father spanks a child when he does something wrong. Yes the childs butt will hurt for a bit, but the father is trying to teach the child a valuable lesson of what not to do
Why can't the father explain to the child rationally and fairly so that it understands what is right and wrong, rather than injuring him so that he obeys?
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Queggy
Why can't the father explain to the child rationally and fairly so that it understands what is right and wrong, rather than injuring him so that he obeys?
First off, I wouldn't really call a spank injuring. I can get a papercut that is worse than a spank.
Second, if a father tells a child not to do something, is that child going to listen? I'm sure it has better things to do (in it's mind) than to listen to a lecture. It won't pay attention, or if it does, the memory won't stand out in it's head and it will do it again. Injuries stand out in a persons brain. I still remember as if it happened today a memory from when I was in kindergarten and dropped a rock on my toe and breaking it, yet I can't remember something that someone told me the day before or after that event. Why? There was nothing to make it a special memory. It's kind of like shock therapy I suppose. Basically the point is that without consequences the child is not going to learn or understand why it shouldn't do such a thing.
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Random0098
I wouldn't really call a spank injuring.
I'm sure the child would dissagree with you. And you were originally talking about mass killings, not a spanking.
Second, if a father tells a child not to do something, is that child going to listen? I'm sure it has better things to do (in it's mind) than to listen to a lecture. It won't pay attention
Corporal punishment - even incarceration - is only used in society because we don't have a better way of dealing with people we can't control. If we had someone who would be able to rationally and fairly explain to all wrong-doers how to behave properly so that they would listen, then we wouldn't need that type of punishment, and it would be unjust to use it.
Unfortunately, it is necessary in our society because there are way too many cases where it's true that the criminal just wouldn't listen to reason - or that society wouldn't feel safe with them back on the streets.
But you were talking about GOD here. I mean, if GOD couldn't talk sense into people, who could? Isn't he omnipotent? He'd rather kill everyone than make them understand?
Post by
Queggy
But you were talking about GOD here. I mean, if GOD couldn't talk sense into people, who could? Isn't he omnipotent? He'd rather kill everyone than
make
them understand?
Two words:
Free will.
I'm sure the child would dissagree with you. And you were originally talking about mass killings, not a spanking.
The child's butt will be sore for a few minutes. It's not an injury, it won't even have a bruise. And there is a difference between the sins committed by Soddom and Gamorra and the sins by the fictional child. Of course the punishment will be different. Also, the child is still learning, most of the people in the cities were grown ups that should know better.
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Random0098
The child's butt will be sore for a few minutes. It's not an injury, it won't even have a bruise. And there is a difference between the sins committed by Soddom and Gamorra and the sins by the fictional child. Of course the punishment will be different.
Are you saying that you don't think that the people getting killed at soddom and gamorra are injuries? I kinda thing death is a pretty big injury... one you don't really recover from, generally.
Two words: Free will
Free will ends pretty abruptly when you die. (especially if those guys are just sent down to hell).
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Queggy
Free will ends pretty abruptly when you die. (especially if those guys are just sent down to hell).
True, but that's like saying that a criminal has his rights so we shouldn't lock them up for life in a prison and just wait for them to die. They forfeited whatever rights they had. If they had been left alive the evil would have kept growing. If there is a bad spot in the apple do you cut out the bad spot or just eat it?
Are you saying that you don't think that the people getting killed at soddom and gamorra are injuries? I kinda thing death is a pretty big injury... one you don't really recover from, generally.
What do you mean? Of course they suffered injuries and died.
Post by
Laihendi
Boottspur just give up it's not worth it :(
Post by
Random0098
I'm going to stop the argument.
Laihendi is right, it's not worth it. Not because It's not worth arguing with Queggy - That's fun. Just because the point we're arguing about the bible is a little trivial in the long run.
Also, I have to get off the computer soon.
But Queggy, do me a favor. read
this.
I haven't read most of what this site said about it, but it should be a summary of the main points - And so it should be easier to read and understand than the actual thing.
But, if you want to read the real thing, do that. Listen to the discussion on justice in Plato's Republic. It's really good.
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L33tsauce
Boottspur just give up it's not worth it :(
For once, I agree entirely with you.
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Queggy
But Queggy, do me a favor. read
this.
I haven't read most of what this site said about it, but it should be a summary of the main points - And so it should be easier to read and understand than the actual thing.
Ugh.
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Laihendi
Don't you "ugh" at Plato >:(
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