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Should Cocaine Be Legal?
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Post by
MyTie
I discussed the issue with my wife today. She pointed out that most income for drug trafficing comes from the addicts, not the first time users. So, if the addicts could go to a lawful safe drug clinic to get thier fix, the economy for gangs would be debased. BUT she took it a step futher and pointed out that most addicts started using at a party socially. Since the economy of the drug lords would be gone, and it wouldn't be available on the streets, you wouldn't find it at parties. In the end, it would lower addiction rates.
My wife's sense of logic stuns me. She's so smart.
Post by
Lusky
Since when can you not get store bought drugs from a party?
Edit: I mean it wouldn't affect whether or not you found it at parties, although it'll reduce the likelihood of it appearing at younger ages.
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Random0098
Guys, guys.. wait, guys.
I think you missed Malgayne saying the debate was over. You have to listen to him! He's
The Man
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Lusky
I think that people can disagree on all three of the above points and not be fools. And that, I think, is the best way to end a debate.
He commented on the best way to end it, not saying it was over.
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MyTie
That's not very logical, whatsoever. If the gov't allowed it only to be used within a clinic, the underground market would still have a viable reason for being around. They would be there for those who want to use the drug outside of clinics and in social gatherings.
This would only help the drug lords stay in business.
My exact thinking in regards to MyTie's proposed idea, and the basis of my arguments.
You two missed the point of drug money incoming from those who are addicted. If you take that away, I couldn't see an entire underground market catering to a few parties, especially if the punishments for doing so are exile and tattooing.
You see.. .you have to
read
. It really helps in these discussions.
@Hungryshadow - The new point brought up is the lack of new addicts, since the supply of addicts comes from social occasions and the money comes from people already truely addicted. Take away the accicts, then stop funding the social occasions as well. This is new, and worth discussing. Please don't come into a discussion to say: "Guys, stop talking about it."
Post by
TheMediator
Having cocaine help centers =/= legalizing cocaine. I think you need to rephrase your argument, there are already ways for people to legally obtain marijuana, but its illegal to have marijuana without a government license. Legalizing cocaine would allow anyone to get it, whereas if you just built more cocaine help centers, it'd help crack addicts ease out of their addiction.
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Post by
MyTie
TheMediator - No. I'm not talking about help centers at all
Zaputo - I'm speaking about cocaine for the sake of haing a drug to talk about. If I said all drugs, people would say "What about cianide", and I don't want this discussion to be about assisted suicide tax.
Parrazell - Really? Like seriously? Yeah. Did you have any reasoning it wouldn't, or did you just drop by to ask that?
Gore - No, no I don't think we need to read what's going on, I think you need to understand the motivations for an addict and how they think. A drug addict will want the cocaine either way, and they will be more inclined to use it at a party with friends since it's a social stimulant. If the gov't isn't offering to do that, they will find other means of getting it for those settings. You think that the addict just wants to get high alone, in a white room wiith officials watching them? I don't think so.
Your 'laws' are also rather ... ridiculous... so I doubt they would even come close to being implemented; lets remove that from the discussion.
You'd be a fool to think that just allowing them a section of land to smoke cocaine would eliminate the underground market.You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand you say thier motivations are to take it at parties, and on the other hand you say they want it no matter what. I think if you offered cocaine addicts a safe, clean, cheap, legal cocaine they would take it. Here... let me spell out my logic, and you can correct me where I am wrong:
1) Addicts would take the cheap, clean, and legal version of the same drug, instead of the stuff sold by dangerous street dealers. (Addict can get 5 hits for the price of 1, and not get shot or arrested)
2) Dangerous street dealers would then go out of business. Harsh drug laws would be an added bonus. (Also, saying that we should exile street drug dealing thugs is ridiculous? I think that is a good idea. I'm probably not alone.)
3) With street dealers out of business, due to inability to compete, cocaine would not be found casually in party settings, which is where most people get hooked.
Ok... now go back through those three points, and say "No. That one is wrong because..."
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TheMediator
The question of how the addicts are going to pay for the cocaine still remains, and whether or not you limit their access to it.
If you have the tax payers pay for the cocaine, first off there will be huge amounts of QQ, and second there would be no incentive to stop, and if you make the addicts pay for it, they'll do whatever it takes to get the money. If you don't limit their access to the cocaine, they'll steal and pawn their way to as much cocaine as they possibly can, if you do, then they'll go to the street dealers and do the same anyways.
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MyTie
The question of how the addicts are going to pay for the cocaine still remains, and whether or not you limit their access to it.
If you have the tax payers pay for the cocaine, first off there will be huge amounts of QQ, and second there would be no incentive to stop, and if you make the addicts pay for it, they'll do whatever it takes to get the money. If you don't limit their access to the cocaine, they'll steal and pawn their way to as much cocaine as they possibly can, if you do, then they'll go to the street dealers and do the same anyways.
This changes nothing, and wouldn't be changed by legalizing cocaine. This issue would, unfortunately, remain the same. I have made no attempt to resolve it in my proposal. My proposal tackles other issues though.
My proposal also doesn't:
Cure Cancer
Feed the hungry
Make Michael Jackson black again
Fix global warming
Make mosquito bites not itch
An array of other things.
I'm still working on those. As soon as I come up with solutions I will post them here so you all can QQ and spit on those ideas as well, all of course while not coming up with ideas of your own. Why you ask? I'm a glutton for punishment.
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