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Should Cocaine Be Legal?
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Post by
MasterOfDisguise
MasterofDisguise - How have the current laws helped that situation at all? Have we slowed the violence or sped it up by providing the black market an addicting product.
Forgive me if I am playing
beg the question
, but that's not what I see the issue as; I see the issue as cocaine would only be legalized because the economy sucks, for lack of a better term, and we need to find some way to bring in more revenue.
Truthfully, if we have to turn to legalizing powerful and addictive drugs, it should be as a last resort. I don't feel we're totally out of legitimate options altogether yet; do you?
Post by
ASHelmy
You should elect capable, trust worthy, intelligent and educated people to be in the government. If you believe that you did this, then just trust those people.
This is, and always will be, impossible. You are asking for something that can't be done. And really, who better to make your own decisions then you yourself?
Educated professionals. Also, It is not impossible, it can be done, really, not everyone who's in government is evil. (And actually, it has been done before).
Post by
Malgayne
Forgive me if I am playing
beg the question
, but that's not what I see the issue as; I see the issue as cocaine would only be legalized because the economy sucks, for lack of a better term, and we need to find some way to bring in more revenue.
Truthfully, if we have to turn to legalizing powerful and addictive drugs, it should be as a last resort. I don't feel we're totally out of legitimate options altogether yet; do you?
I believe his argument, if I understand it properly, is that legalizing cocaine should be properly considered a legitimate option. A radical one, certainly, but a legitimate one.
Post by
MyTie
@Malgayne
It cannot be actual, since it is not a reality, that part, I agree, is presumed. However the presumption is founded in logic.
It does put you in a difficult situation, though, to be weighing an actual negative against a presumed positive—especially in a situation like this one, where it's a very difficult decision to take back.
A difficult decision. I never had a problem.
Trading one of the worst negatives in the world for a very possible positive seems like a no brainer to me. Perhaps I am wrong though. I was wrong on the AIDS cure thing, as the debaters pointed out. Prove me wrong here also. But use logic to do it.
What are the logical possibilities how this could lead to a negative situation socially?
When talking about cocaine, it is such a terrible thing that our first reflex is to say 'no' to making it legal. But, with a little thought, it may be the answer to getting rid of it.
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Post by
ASHelmy
@Malgayne
It cannot be actual, since it is not a reality, that part, I agree, is presumed. However the presumption is founded in logic.
It does put you in a difficult situation, though, to be weighing an actual negative against a presumed positive—especially in a situation like this one, where it's a very difficult decision to take back.
A difficult decision. I never had a problem.
Trading one of the worst negatives in the world for a very possible positive seems like a no brainer to me. Perhaps I am wrong though. I was wrong on the AIDS cure thing, as the debaters pointed out. Prove me wrong here also. But use logic to do it.
What are the logical possibilities how this could lead to a negative situation socially?
When talking about cocaine, it is such a terrible thing that our first reflex is to say 'no' to making it legal. But, with a little thought, it may be the answer to getting rid of it.
Legalizing alcohol didn't get rid of it.
Post by
Malgayne
Another thought occurs to me. If a tax on cocaine is a significant source of government revenue, doesn't that create a situation where the government is rewarded for causing its own citizens to become addicted to a dangerous drug? It seems like a slippery slope towards government agencies handing out "free samples" of cocaine to try and hook little kids when they need some extra cash.
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ASHelmy
Educated professionals. Also, It is not impossible, it can be done, really, not everyone who's in government is evil. (And actually, it has been done before).
I added to my post, I don't know if you saw it.
It can be done, but the chances of it are low. Everyone's corrupt, in one way or another. No one will have the same morals as you so why would you let them make the decision on whether or not you can inject yourself?
Everyone is not corrupt, there are good people as there are bad. If the "system" can't bring out the best of us to lead us, then it needs to be changed.
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Post by
ASHelmy
When talking about cocaine, it is such a terrible thing that our first reflex is to say 'no' to making it legal. But, with a little thought, it may be the answer to getting rid of it.
Hm, what about teen sex? They had a policy of educating people from a younger age and handed out free condoms which basically led to teens thinking it was okay to do, as long as they were protected. As a result, teens were having sex at younger ages.
By looking at other statistics on similiar topics, you can easily find trends.
Let's not bring sex into this, this will take us onto a whole new topic.
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260787
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Post by
MyTie
Another thought occurs to me. If a tax on cocaine is a significant source of government revenue, doesn't that create a situation where the government is rewarded for causing its own citizens to become addicted to a dangerous drug? It seems like a slippery slope towards government agencies handing out "free samples" of cocaine to try and hook little kids when they need some extra cash.Kids should not have it avaiable. Period. Getting rid of the underworld market for illegal drugs, and placeing strict regulations would actually make it harder for kids to get ahold of it, since it would be off the streets and into your friendly neighborhood armored illicit drug clinic. Even these clinics would be isolated to urban areas. This is probably the biggest detractor from my idea, that no one has mentioned. Addicts would flock to the distributers. The areas around those 'hubs' would turn nasty.
The part about your arguement that is the basis for your thinking is that the government is causing the addiction. causing its own citizens to become addictedNo. This is not the case. Just like the government didn't cause me to do anything that I do, addicts make themselves into addicts.
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Post by
TheMediator
Having a drug addicted country is not good in the long run, even if it seems to have short run benefits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_wars
Same issue in China, even if it meant not trading with the Europeans, China would have been worse off it if didn't ban opium and stop its nation from becoming addicts.
Post by
ASHelmy
Everyone is not corrupt, there are good people as there are bad. If the "system" can't bring out the best of us to lead us, then it needs to be changed.
It seems like you're asking for too much. Rather than have a revolution to overthrow the gov't because they aren't in a position to make a decision on how you live and what you do to yourself, why not just legalize the drugs and let you make your own decisions? If you harm someone else, then you get charged, put in jail, etc. but until that point, you're free to do what you want to your body.
What's the difference between that and legalizing murder?
Post by
MyTie
You cannot equate teen sex to cocaine use. Our teens don't come with bags of cocaine attatched to them at birth, like they do sex organs. We don't need to teach them about proper cocaine use, because we can actually keep them away from it. The subjects are vastly different. There is no relation. Please stay on topic.
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260787
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Post by
MasterOfDisguise
causing its own citizens to become addictedNo. This is not the case. Just like the government didn't cause me to do anything that I do, addicts make themselves into addicts.
Yeah, but in my opinion, you'd be giving them the leeway to feed their addiction without fear of facing legal repercussions.
Post by
Malgayne
The part about your arguement that is the basis for your thinking is that the government is causing the addiction. causing its own citizens to become addictedNo. This is not the case. Just like the government didn't cause me to do anything that I do, addicts make themselves into addicts.
I agree. But what I'm suggesting is that you are creating a motivation for the government—which you seem to agree is no more trustworthy than you or I, and probably less—to create addictions in its citizens, and I am proposing that this would be a great evil.
Or are you suggesting that the government is incapable of creating addiction in its citizens?
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