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An article on Varian Wrynn being right
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389776
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Post by
HoleofArt
This. Only more directed at Varian. Most humans have forgiven. It just so happens the leader is too ignorant to do so.
wouldnt you think if most humans forgave and their leader was a total #$%^&* to people they forgave wouldnt you think they would overthrow him instead of waste their lives by attacking people that they forgave?
Meh, I think most of them are just happy they actually have a leader now. A child king isn't exactly what they had in mind, and when Varian showed up, they embraced him with open arms. Even if he is kind of a nut.
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Patty
The comic pretty much shows that Anduin actually knows his stuff. The real reason why he was an ineffectual leader was having Katrana Prestor around, either ignoring Anduin's orders, or twisting them around to her benefit. Plus the "you're just a kid, what do you know" part. Were he a bit older and his people treated him more seriously, the kingdom would be in a far better place without Varian's rule.
So true. Varian is hastier than his ten year old son, I find that pretty embarrassing.
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229054
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HoleofArt
May I quote Anduin a bit?
Why waste your warriors and resources in battle when a few words will bring you greater profit?
That alone one-shotted both Garrosh and his father.
QFT.
I'm Horde and I HATE Garrosh.
Varian is almost as bad.
Actually, probably worse, because people seem to think he's not in the wrong at all....which he is. >.<
Everyone agrees Garrosh is an ass, though.
Lol, I wonder if it was Blizzard's intent to make him seem so... ^&*!@#$-ish.
Post by
Skreeran
Lol, I wonder if it was Blizzard's intent to make him seem so... ^&*!@#$-ish.QFFT.
See
Murkblood Invaders
...
Here's my comment:
I just want to smack Garrosh upside the head.
First he's irritatingly depressed.
Skreeran: Murkblood Broken are planning to attack! What do I do?
Garrosh: *sucks on thumb* I dunno. We're all gonna die someday anyway, what's the point? *cuts wrist*
And now he's got Roid Rage...
Skreeran: Awesome, we've got the Lich King on the run, the Alliance have the south covered, we have the north, he has no escape!
Garrosh: *Punches human* We deserve all this land! The Alliance must die for what they've done to us!
Skreeran: Well, what'd they do to us?
Garrosh: Well... uh... They kinda... Y'know... Won't let us chop down their forests? I guess? Ahem... Well... The Alliance Pigs must die!
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Skreeran
Daelin was right?
What?
He attacked Thrall, unprovoked. He tried to lure Thrall into a peace meet using his daughter's name, so he could assassinate him. He then proceeded to wage war on the defenseless Darkspear Trolls, still unprovoked.
He may have had reasons to mistrust the New Horde, but the tactics he used were absolutely abhorrent.
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188262
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Skreeran
Problem with Daelin is that he didn't fight honorably. He used ambushes and deceit and attacked non-hostile villages. He didn't just "not trust" the Horde. He didn't "fight back" against the Horde. He attacked, unprovoked, and attempted to used Thrall's trust to assassinate him.
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HoleofArt
I used Daelin for comparison because frankly Varian and Daelin are very similar characters right now. Very bad experiences with the Horde, very un-friendly demeanor with the Horde, and questionable motives. I wouldn't say either are "right" in the truest sense of the word because going to war with the Horde is extremely low on the Alliance's priority list of potential threats. I do understand why each would judge the Horde to be a threat from their own perspectives and I'm certain a lot of decent leaders with the right motives would make that mistake in their place.
The common misconception about good leadership is it requires decisions to be made using all the facts. Unfortunately that would tend to mean no decisions would ever be made because a leader very rarely knows all the facts. Generally, the good leaders make the best decision they can with the information they have at hand.
I think both Daelin and Varian are decent leaders with the best interests of their people at heart.
But I do think they have bad information and due to their own experience and
biases against the Horde tend to reject any people who would try to advise them otherwise.
Contradiction, much?
If they truly had the people's best interests at heart, they (Varian), would listen to those who are more wise than they are, i.e. ;Alexstraza, Rhonin, Jaina, but instead, chooses to ignore them and go off of their own ambitions. Both were/are to see Thrall dead. That is not in people's best interests, it's in their own. Hence, bad leader.
Going off for revenge shouldn't be what motivates Varian, and seeing as it does, it just proves he's in the wrong.
Personally, I say we go democracy on their asses, and get Anduin voted leader, then revert back so he's the king. I like him.
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HoleofArt
Problem with Daelin is that he didn't fight honorably. He used ambushes and deceit and attacked non-hostile villages. He didn't just "not trust" the Horde. He didn't "fight back" against the Horde. He attacked, unprovoked, and attempted to used Thrall's trust to assassinate him.
True, but we're discussing Varian. Using Daelin in any arguements (yes you rufus) just causes the discussion to de-rail.
Plus, you can't even really compare them anyways. Daelin was just a &*!@. Varian is just stubborn/slightly retarded.
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188262
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Skreeran
In that case they are wrong, and somewhat justified in being wrong, but still wrong.
Killing Thrall is wrong. There's no way around it.
Which means that Varian Wrynn is not right. He is wrong. He is understandably wrong, but he
is
wrong.
Although again, I personally don't understand his justifications, even though I have read the comic and seen all the facts. Like I pointed out, in Theramore Thrall is like "We can both agree that slavery is wrong right? I was a slave, you were a slave. It's bad and neither of us support it." To which Varian essentially responds: "Yeah, slavery is wrong, but in this case it actually helped me out."
While later in the Undercity he's all: "Every time I killed an orc in your personal arenas, Thrall, I could only think of one thing. How great it would be for you and your entire race to be dead!"
Post by
HoleofArt
In that case they are wrong, and somewhat justified in being wrong, but still wrong.
Killing Thrall is wrong. There's no way around it.
Which means that Varian Wrynn is not right. He is wrong. He is understandably wrong, but he
is
wrong.
Although again, I personally don't understand his justifications, even though I have read the comic and seen all the facts. Like I pointed out, in Theramore Thrall is like "We can both agree that slavery is wrong right? I was a slave, you were a slave. It's bad and neither of us support it." To which Varian essentially responds: "Yeah, slavery is wrong, but in this case it actually helped me out."
While later in the Undercity he's all: "Every time I killed an orc in your personal arenas, Thrall, I could only think of one thing. How great it would be for you and your entire race to be dead!"
All I can think is... is that Blizzard made the quote from UC, some guy was like, ".. umm.. he wouldn't do that. Do you want people to think he's a terrible leader? Just look at the lore! You're killing his image!" and Blizzard replied, "Lorelulwut?"
/shrug. I think we all now agree Varian is wrong in what he's doing, albeit slightly justified, still wrong. Although going off his background, I don't see issues, going from in-game, I can't stand him. Actually, I look on him with disdain.
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188262
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Post by
Skreeran
Agreed. I just hate it when people claim: "Varian Wrynn is right."
He's not right. He tried to kill my favorite character in the entire lore, who also happens to be one of the most morally admirable characters in the lore. Varian is not right.
He's missing a lot of facts, and not listening to some people who know better, and so he's justified as far as his own personal experiences go, but he's still not right, ultimately.
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