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Why Bring a Warrior Tank, when you can have: DK, Pala ?
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Post by
Berret
Why bring a warrior tank? Lots of reasons! We have the best tanking debuffs in the game via, TC, demo shout and sunders.
We can also do anything. We can spec for AOE tanking, DPS/threat tanking, single boss survivability.
A skilled warrior tank can AOE tank with the best of them, it's just more difficult to do. Great snap threat form TC, spec into improved cleave with glyph of cleave and damage shield. Shockwave is our howling blast :) And vigilance another tank for unlimited taunts just in case!
DPS/threat tank you say? Check out an unrelenting assault type spec and leave those DKs in the dust on the DPS tanking meters :)
Single target? Properly specced, we have the cooldowns and mitigation to compete with ANY other class on hard hitting ulduar mobs.
And no class is as much fun to tank with! It's alot of work, but it's never boring. I love off tanking ignis with charge/intercept! Iron council is a blast, and stunning/kiting the pummelers on XT while shockwaving scrapbots sure beats mindlessly standing in front of the boss :)
Post by
Porcell
A skilled warrior tank can AOE tank with the best of them, it's just more difficult to do. Great snap threat form TC, spec into improved cleave with glyph of cleave and damage shield. Shockwave is our howling blast :) And vigilance another tank for unlimited taunts just in case!
DPS/threat tank you say? Check out an unrelenting assault type spec and leave those DKs in the dust on the DPS tanking meters :)
Now, I love warrior tanking as much as the next guy, and it would be okay to say that we can be passable as AoE tank, but there is just no comparing to a Paladin when it comes to AoE tanking; I don't care how good you are.
And Unrelenting Assault spec is gimmick. I certainly would never use that spec, either in game or in an argument.
Post by
skumbananer
A warrior is very mobile, so a skilled warrior tank is the very best class to bring to compensate for really dumb dpsers in a heroic. Hurricaning mobs around, overaggroing wrong target and running away, nuking when tank tries to do a los pull? dks, druids and pallys have a harder time dealing with that, warriors somewhat easier, due to ranged silence, warbringer charge, intervene, intercept, commanding shout, mocking blow and stuns.
For everything else, we are slightly worse off :D If i might be sarcastic, i would say that a warrior tank has no business being in a raid at all, the purpose of a prot warrior is to cater to extremely dumb pug dps in heroics.
Post by
Lorkin
It's a combination of what folks have been saying. Bring the player not the class is true, but to a certain extent. There's only so much a class can do vs what another class can do. If you are truely a min/maxer, and you have experienced multiple parts of the end game encounters, you will see the differences. Its even more obvious if you are doing the tanking job side by side with the other tank classes, sometimes it will feel like you aren't even needed there. Here are some of my opinions regarding the matter of DKs and Warriors:
A geared warrior playing at 100% potential is > an ok geared DK playing at 80% potential.
A geared warrior playing at 100% potential is < a geared DK playing at 100% potential.
These two opinions of mine hold true to the statements made in this post. Bring the player that's trying, as they will be better than the player that's not there yet. If both tanks are equally geared and equally played, you will start to see the limitations of the classes.
I've noticed something about DK's vs Shield wearer's while playing my Holy Paladin. They take much more damage vs packs of mobs than the other 2 tanks. On bosses though, they perform the same if not better. On raids, generally DK's that are geared and played well truly shine.
That being said, I've never had an issue doing my tanking role on raids. In fact, some encounters we shined having a DK as the MT and me as the OT. Some of my healers have commented that I take far less damage than the DK, but with healing being so high right now it doesn't matter. Would you sacrifice a bit of mitigation and avoidance to have superior aggro for AoE and single targets? I would.
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Post by
DaCyclops
but there is just no comparing to a Paladin when it comes to AoE tanking; I don't care how good you are.
Actually, particually fast moving mobs could run right through a Pally AoE before it has enough chance to tick some decent agro.... There are not too many of them, but it can happen. (also, if a mob is agroing with a big threat lead, like picking up 3 massive heals on a tank, it could have enough threat to survive 1 or maybe 2 ticks of Pally AoE)
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Post by
Buttery
The warrior is the original tank, used to be the only viable tanking class; so, is anyone surprised that new tanks are all based on what Blizz has learned about tanking from endless warrior QQ in past?
DKs are offensive tanks that rely on CDs for single target and AoE for trash. They dont have a shield, so they have high-ish hp. This also makes it much more difficult for them to reach hit capped.
Pallys are defensive oriented tanks. have you ever tried pulling threat off a healer if your taunt misses? Their entire style is based on getting hit to hold threat, but to peel a mob off of a idiot dps or going ooM on mana draining mobs? what then?
Dr00ds are warrior clones, but with only the core abilities and more life/dodge. spikey dmg, good progression tanks.
The problem is that warriors were the original offensive tanks, it was designed that way, we make it so that it is easier to kill the mob we are holding. We have a bit of everything to help us do that job, but being the original in the case means out of date. We are the cellphone compared to the iPhone, essential to the development of it, but shunted into grandpa time because of it. We are in dire need of a major upgrade to give us a new niche.
Post by
Lorkin
We are in dire need of a major upgrade to give us a new niche.
The thing is that we DID get an overhaul in WotLK as far as our protection tree, as well as tanking mechanics and tanking in general. I think Blizzard's aim was to have all tanks equal in the end game, and not give the original tank such a lead that there would be no point in picking any other class as MT. Unfortunately Blizzard still suffers from balancing issues, they can't seem to get it right.
DKs initially were poor tanks due to the sheer volume and rough start for tanking that they experience. With no shield, block mechanic, and lower health pools in general, they made for pretty poor trash mob tanks. For heroics, that's the majority of the fights. Once they get past a certain gear level, they excel at what they were designed to do, tank bosses. Trash at that point doesn't matter, and it's all down to boss fights.
Warriors have always been able to do both Trash mobs and Boss mobs well. It's just that now other classes like the DK have slighty better mechanics, CDs, abilities that allow them to be monster boss tanks. It'll all even out in the end I think, and I'm curious to see what they do to block.
Post by
PureGold
I knew warriors QQ'd about us...but really? I have seen so many fail warrior tanks, fail dks, fail paladins, and fail druids. It
really
is the player over the class.
I have had the honor of being with amazing warrior tanks, who knew their class and made up for their lack of aoe in aoe situations by stunning, aoe taunting, etc. To be honest warriors used to be easy mode, now guess what other tanks started getting threat buffs and now you can't spam sunder and pull aggro.
A paladin CAN main tank but is much better at tanking more than one target, its just how we are built.
Bottom line is if you are being out performed consider it a possibility that the person behind the other tank is better than you at tanking.
Edit: The only reason they bring a DK over a warrior is the CD timer on their CD tanking abilities.
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Post by
tuby10
ohhhh come on!
unless you wanna play a pinky druid or a milky paladin or even a bad@ss dk.
who cares! you are a what the word used to say "WARRIOR" you are a freeman in the world of warcraft lol.
and evenmore you are playing with a class as you say less powerfull than other´s similar class, you are making it shine.
a bear tanking a huge boss? hhaah sorry its funny to see that. :D
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Post by
silverd
I can think of at least one fight where warriors are the BEST tank by far. Iron Council. While you tank the dwarf and vrykul whose names escape me at the moment while the rest of the group kills Steelbreaker, you can put out a high amount of threat while keeping your eye on the dwarf. What makes Warriors the superior tank here? Stuns and Shield Bash. Spaced out properly, Shockwave, Concussion Blow, Charge, Intercept along with Shield Bash will ensure that he never gets a Chain Lightning out. This becomes even more important in phase 2 when his AoE lightning twirly thing MUST be interrupted (not to mention having Heroic Throw interrupt his casting when he's inside a Death Rune.)
As for all other fights, Warriors have excellent mobility, versatility, excellent debuffs. Granted each tank has something that makes them worthwhile, but the point is, in NO way is a warrior tank inferior.
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