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MyTie
This isn't a hypothetical situation. Invading Africa is, but taking over the world is not. The UN and the federal reserve reek of conspiracy.
By talking about how awful it would be to invade Africa, I was hopeing to illustrate how sinister our current method is, although less overt.
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109094
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Post by
MyTie
This is the point I was driving at. Very good parrazell!
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334295
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Post by
MyTie
There are no real benefits to invading Africa. /endthread
I wasn't sure, until this win came along and summed it up for us.
This thread has really taught me something, and it has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with people. They are idiots. If you want to explain something in many different steps and layers, don't expect them to get off of step 1. It looks something like this:
Step 1: What are the implications of invading Africa?
Step 2: Why do countries take offense to others being invaded?
Step 3: Why do they feel thier autonomy is threatened by invading forces?
Step 4: What makes a country feel independant?
Step 5: Is it possible to take over a country without making them feel threatened?
Step 6: ?
Step 7: Profit
But instead, all I get is simple minded simons jumping in saying "ZOMG you can't invade Africa /endthread". There are so many idiots in this thread. I would like it in the future if you would avoid any thread I make. This will take the effort out of skipping over your stupid comments.
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334295
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Post by
MyTie
You're the idiot, you're treating real life like it's a video game, like we can just rush troops over their and bomb their bases and win a war and suddenly africa will be ours.
Africa isn't even a country, south africa, egypt, there's countries in africa that are fine, there's a few where there's tons of genocide, disease and hunger, but you were ignorant enough to just blanket post "what about invanding africa." What do you think the response would be if someone suggested "what would happen if we nuked africa?" then tried to back track saying I don't think it's a good idea btw. Well you're already coming off as extreme and arrogant, regardless of your real position.
If you need us to tell you the answers to 2,3,5 you really should just stop posting. You're just making americans look insensitive, arrogant and dumb.Let me spell this out for you:
This thread is NOT about invadeing Africa. I was using that as a starting point for discussing how the current world order is driven by econmics the same way that old world was driven by guns.
Your inability to get off of the 'Africa' point, no matter how many prompts are given to you, is the irritating thing. Look at this. parrazell got it!economic domination would be one way, given that the US already has the strongest economy in the world I dont think it would be too much of a stretch.
you can even look at the American stock market fluctuations have reverberations around the world already, when it crashes the rest of the world follows suit.
I wouldnt be surprised to find heavy american investments in pretty much every country worldwide (N. Korea and such not withstanding)
Basically if you control the flow of enough reasources to a country, you effectivly control that country.
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334295
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Post by
MyTie
No one is going to care about your hidden message or real topic when you come off as brash and arrogant all the time and start a topic up the way you did. Personally I can't tell if that was really the aim of your thread to turn into into an economics debate or if you just wanted to debate anything, and jumped on that to avoid looking stupid about the original africa post, and appear looking supremely witty like you planned this all along. If you really want to discuss economics then just say so from the start instead of inciting a bunch of anti american rage. Do you really not see how you're coming off? I just chose to dismiss it all with my /endthread comment and then you go calling us all idiots. Well excuse me for not wanting to bend to your every whim for an economic debate. You're way too self righteous.
I think America is being economically controling of smaller countries. It is just as real as marching thier armies. I don't agree with it. Using the Africa comparison is not illogical.
Now, if you have a problem with how I started the thread, quote what it was and where it sounded arrogant. This will better help me apologize when I can see the error of my ways.
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415553
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Post by
MyTie
Lets see if I get what Mytie is driving at.
Given if we used our full 500,000 available troops holding none back, we could take out every hard airfield, dam, powerplant etc within a week. A land invasion would follow. Considering how corrupt alot of Africa is we could buy off some dictators to let us use their country to wipe our their neighbors. The outcome of that would be extreme political upheaval, a technological loss and wipespread famine and disease. Which is pretty much what you have in Africa right now due to petty dictators being bought off by commercial interests such as Mansanto etc. So all in all, not a hell of alot of differance.
This thread is NOT about invadeing Africa. I was using that as a starting point for discussing how the current world order is driven by econmics the same way that old world was driven by guns.
I wash my hands of this thread.
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109094
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Post by
Patty
This thread is NOT about invadeing Africa. I was using that as a starting point for discussing how the current world order is driven by econmics the same way that old world was driven by guns.
I wash my hands of this thread.
If you wanted to debate about economics then make a thread topic about the Economy, rather than about invading Africa. I may as well make a debate about STIs but trying to get people to discuss the weather.
The two are linked in a way, but war and economics are different things entirely.
Edit: And Parrazell, seeing American things being bombarded at me has made me go off the US, personally. Also, I don't think America is anywhere near being imperial.
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109094
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Post by
Patty
seeing American things being bombarded at me has made me go off the US, personally. Also, I don't think America is anywhere near being imperial.
maybe not in the traditional Roman/British empire sense no. But in a revised sense? maybe there is a better word for this than 'imperial' i dont know.
The more I think about it the more I realise that American culture, economics and politics pervades almost every aspect of my life (to varying degrees ofc).
Economically the current worldwide slump can be placed squarely on the Americans. Due to their massively dominant position in the world economically, when they have a bad slide everyone else does too. Unemployment in my country has taken a sharp rise to the withdrawal of American investors, and this has in turn taken its toll on the political system here (i.e. in bad times the politicians are always to blame) as well as the banking sector (which knocks on to everything else)
There military actions abroad
cough
Iraq
cough
influences things like oil prices, which in turn influences industry prices
Things I watch on television are typically American made (scrubs, Stargate, south park etc) or definitely American influenced and they are popular enough with the masses that the ideas and values they present seep into the population watching and enjoying them. This extends further also into Cinema as well and music to a varying degree.
If you actually sat down and thought about it, i think you will find that a helluva lot of stuff is either produced by, influenced by, an imitation of, as a result of America.
Britain's Got Talent - Got leeched by America.
Pop Idol - Leeched into American Idol
Just a couple of British examples that are rip-offs of British shows, so I could argue the flip-side of your argument.
Yes, I like some American "pop" music and films, but that does not mean all of Britain's music and film industry is based from America.
People also need to remember where the migrators, now the American population, originate from.
In my opinion, America WANTS to be the next big Empire, and not doing a good job. So again, I could argue the other side of your point.
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109094
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Laihendi
There are so many idiots in this thread.Laihendi has avoided posting in this thread until now, so he'll take that as an indirect compliment.
Post by
MyTie
If you wanted to debate about economics then make a thread topic about the Economy, rather than about invading Africa.
Me: Let's talk about American Imperialism. If the US were to invade Africa, what would happen?
Everyone: That would never work.
Me: I agree. So why is it that other countries let us take over thier economics?
Everyone: Invading Africa is a stupid idea.
Me: Yes, I realize that. But, we still are doing it on economic levels. The effects are the same. It is modern imperialism.
Everyone: LUL... you CAN'T invade Africa.
Me: Well, technically we can, but that's not the point. We already are through economics.
Everyone: Invadeing Africa is a bad idea.
Me: Listen, I agree. I get that. Can we talk about any other part of American Imperialism?
Everyone: You started talking about invadeing Africa.
Me: Yes, but that was a historical example of imperialism I was using to contrast modern economics.
Everyone: Invadeing Africa is a bad idea.
Me: ARRGGHH! I KNOW! Can we please talk about the economic implications?
Everyone: Do you know how bad an idea invadeing Africa is? It's made up of more than one country.
Me: It's like talking to a wall.
Everyone: Don't get an attitude with us. You're the one that wants to change the subject so you don't sound like an arrogant idiot for wanting to invade Africa.
Me: Seriously?
Everyone: Yes. You're an arrogant American who thinks he can invade everything.
Me: /sigh
Post by
Patty
Imperialism is not the only way to affect an economy, which is my point. And realistically, I very much doubt the US could take control over all of Africa even if it tried.
Basically, if you want a discussion about Economics, use something more directly linked to the Economy like, I don't know...the recession we are in right now? Seems a little more relevant to me.
Also, the economy is not the only change, or effect, being invaded would bring about. Changes in Culture, for instance.
So, even if people did discuss the effects, there is more than one. If you want a specific argument then make your question directly linked to the debate, not a by-product of the hypothetical situation.
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