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That's just plain hilarious.
But also very dumb.
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Eudemonia
You are the missing the point Noyb :)
The whole point is that what your last paragraph points out is true in most cases in normal circumstances you are associated with. But in China, its morally incorrect.
Im sure the US will censor
a movie promoting neo-nazism, a movie promoting polygamy or a game promoting domestic beating. They even censor sex. Its just not called censoring, instead its called "going straight to TV" or "slapping on a NC-17 rating". Its simply because its morally incorrect where you live.
Whatever insight you may or may not have as to China, I fear you have an almost shocking lack of understanding of how censorship works in the US. The US will in fact
not
censor any of the above, and I am honestly not sure if this is a complicated reverse psychology troll, as there are prominent, long running series dealing with polyamory and which feature neo-Nazis. As for a game featuring "domestic beating", if such a game were made, rest assured you would be able to buy it in the US legally, if perhaps only through internet distribution.
Your confusion, if it is that, lies in your conflation of "going straight to TV" (which I can only assume you meant to mean going straight to video/DVD) or "slapping on a NC-17 rating" and government censorship.
"Going straight to " is a commercial choice, and actually is a reflection of
freedom
, rather then control; in this case, the economic freedom movie presenters have to choose not to display material they in a personal/corporate judgment find offensive or simply unprofitable. The notion that every film is
entitled
to a theatrical release can only be supported in an authoritarian state, where films are chosen for the theatre owners, rather then them being free to choose.
For example, in Hitler's Germany, one did not simply pass up an opportunity to show Leni Reifenstahl's latest film.
As for the "NC-17" rating, I direct you to the MPAA's (the film rating authority)
website
. What you will notice immediately is that MPAA ratings are
voluntary
; you don't want your film to get a rating, the only thing that will force you to do so is the fact that your distribution options will be limited. Again, this is an example of
Freedom
, not censorship.
Censorship, of the kind China engages in, is when the Government tells private citizens "you may not publish material X", and is exceedingly rare in the US, the most obvious example being real child pornography.
I say real, in order to point out the reason child pornography is illegal is not primarily because it is morally abhorrent, but because it is, in and of itself, a form of criminal exploitation of a minor and a record of a felony. But, the corollary to that is that in the US, "virtual" child pornography, i.e., young-looking actors, digitally manipulated photos and so on,
is legal in the US
.
Put simply, a country, like the US, that places such importance on freedom of speech that it protects the right to publish and sell
lolicon
(don't look it up, you won't be happy), cannot be compared, even in passing, with the authoritarian Censorship China engages in.
For example, here's a fun little anecdote: last year, a newspaper clerk accidentally
allowed a classified add
to be published that referred obliquely to the events of
June 4th
. What is so interesting about the news article is the reason it slipped by the clerk: China has been so successful in suppressing and censoring information about one of the most important events in China in the last 30 years that young people simply don't know the June 4th event even occurred.
As for the OP, it's ridiculous... but like I said, if your government is willing and able to simply erase parts of history, well, it's not exactly surprising that they can do whatever they like to a video-game publisher.
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Noyb its not 1984 mate :) Its 2009. No ones trying to brainwash no one
EDIT: Actually Noyb, I don't really think anyone outside the US wants the US government... Half of the Americans in America dont even like their own government :)
Bruce, the Chinese society really isn't fragile. I think you really are blowing things out of proportion here. It doesn't threaten the Chinese way of life, but covering up some intestines doesn't really threaten it either. In the US it works different, if there is 1 person that wants to see gore, then gore will be made.
China operates differently, most people have no problem with the censorship, its morally correct for them.
However, if you decide otherwise, nothing is stopping you from learning new things. Its not like we have book burnings like back in the 1980s.
Whoa... so, people in China don't mind censorship?
I thought you said no one was being brainwashed...
Also, in order to have book burning, you must first have freedom to publish books that the government doesn't like.
You know how everyone in the US thinks the Venezuelans love Chavez right?
Um, no. Again, you seem to have a very warped notion of what Americans think. Odd, considering you know the opinion of all Chinese citizens with regards to censorship...
Thurind, The same holds true in China. I can still search up information on just about anything on any website as long as I know how. Its really not all that different from the media censorship in the US, mainstreams only, but its just more things are censored because of cultural differences
Here, I'm going to hope I can call BS. Because the alternative is too ghastly to imagine and you honestly have never heard of the June 4th Incident, or the Falun Gong. Hey though, maybe that's a Western conspiracy eh? Those crazy
International journalists
! They weren't restricted, the information just didn't exist!
Again, in the US, censorship is primarily financial; as a general rule, Americans; simply don't have to worry about being sent to
psychiatric hospitals
or
dying in custody
for practicing their religion.
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Okay firstly I'm going to guess you are a /b/tard Eudemonia just because :)
Secondly, I never said anything about the government censoring in the US. Because that is not possible and I understand. However you do have to realize self-censoring between parties lead the the ultimate goal: these films will never gain popularity because these are taboo subjects in the country.
What was present in the game WoW is taboo in China. Yes, there are games in China that have that sort of blood and gore, they are just underground because its a taboo subject, much like how the US operates.
I suggest you look at the entire discussion before quoting on me, I realize I may have gone my way to too much exaggeration, but those who read the entire debate will understand where I was going with it. This is going way out of where I was trying to go with my original post, I understand the more words I put onto this forum the more I can be quoted against.
As for June 4th, I'm going to say that is due to ignorance, and the fact that the government doesn't want to teach about it. The Japanese dont teach about the rape of Nanjing with accuracy, you dont see anyone going "wow what censorship!" I bet there are teenagers in the US don't even know about the hippie revolution, and schools even teach that. You really cant take these cases as a de facto answer to everything. I've been living in China for 8 years of my 16 years old life, and I know about June 4th.
Hmmm, it's almost as if you can't quite notice the difference between censorship and freedom of commerce, or official government rewriting of history and ignorance. Here, let me spell it out for you;
References to the massacre are barred in state media, the Internet and printed works
See, that's censorship. When a classified add that obliquely referes to the Massacre is international news, yeah, I think it may be fair to suspect that there does not exist a free and open exchange of ideas in China.
And tbh, does China censoring really bother people in the United States of America that much? Its not even your business theres no need poking into other people's.
I'm going to make a bold statement and say the internet is the ultimate form of communism. An easily accessible, unblockable force that converts people to change, and knows no borders. The GB protected themselves from communism to the point that Chamberlain tried to befriend Hitler. Why? Because the GB didn't want to be communist. China doesn't want you going "Hey guys, we have freedom of speech, you should have yours too!"
I support freedom of speech, but I don't support the promotion of freedom of speech to those who are not acquainted to it, they will catch on when they do. Now the US, in its own way, is the ultimate communism machine, on a much wider scale than politics, an equality of moral values between everyone in the world, its attempting to make everyone have the same moral values. Scary huh?
Wow... the depth of your ignorance, not merely to history, but as to the very meaning of the terms you use, is so vast as to be nigh immeasurable.
Still though, this
tbh, does China censoring really bother people in the United States of America that much? Its not even your business theres no need poking into other people's.
That's Golden.
Plus, having now learned that "GB protected themselves from communism to the point that Chamberlain tried to befriend Hitler", I suppose I can safely consider myself insufficiently wel versed in "history" to care to continue this conversation.
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To be honest the social and moral values of the US isn't even as open as what the EU enjoys. Take a look at the movie Bruno, a satirical social commentary that has the US shouting at them for indecency, and the EU laughing their bottoms off. There are still a lot of stuff that the US codes and morals do not condone and will probably eventually be abolished.
Humor has and always will be subjective to the audience, just as a comedian judges their audience and then changes their performance based on it. A movie that may be popular in EU may be seen as innappropriate in the US.
BUT that doesnt mean its censored because Bruno IS in theaters across america, just like borat was. The only time something will be abolished will be when it doesnt make any money because the economy and what succeeds is what will decides what passes in america.
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