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Varian tried, or at least threatened, to kill a child. Is he consumed with revenge?
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Post by
Skreeran
Med'an: Leave my Mother alone! She's under a spell! Can't you see?
Varian: Out of the way, lad!
Anduin: Father! Spare him! He's hurt and he saved me--!
Varian: I've been no child killer--but for Garona's cub, I could make an exception!
This.
It was in the comics, when Garona was attacking and Med'an had followed her.
Now, note that Varian wasn't just in heat of the moment rage, just trying to kill anything with green skin. No, this looks farily premeditated. Med'an claims its not his mother's fault, and that sh'es under a spell. There's good reason for Varian to be skeptical about this.
But what Anduin said, and what Varian replied, it's really not looking very heroic or noble or justified.
Varian hates Garona for killing his father. This is understandable. But he would kill her son to hurt her back? That's a terrible thing in the first place, but after what his son said, and the way Varian responded, it's just
evil
in my opinion.
Whenever I bring this up, Varian supporters magically disappear. I'm had but one answer to it out of the three threads I've brought it up in, and that one was from TheChamp, who didn't know what to say.
And so, I challenge you, Varian supporters... Defend Varian's killing of an injured child, who saved his son, nonetheless.
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325248
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Post by
Skreeran
Possibly, but does that lessen the weight of what he said? I don't think so. Otherwise you could just say that none of the orcs were at fault for killing human children because they were under the effects of demon blood.
What's done is done, and what's said is said. If you don't mean it, don't say or do it.
Post by
Patty
Med'an would probably blow up Varian and save the world, the little Mary-Sue.
Post by
Adamsm
He threatened the child yes, but he didn't kill Med'an. He has anger issue's and you can't really blame him; his mother just attacked, trying to kill him, same as when Garona killed his father all those years ago. Think about Varian must have felt to finally see the woman who killed the man he idolized, a woman that seemed to be a friend an ally. It's understandable that his rage would be out of control. They should have just made him a Berserker and been done with it.
Post by
Skreeran
The point is that he would have killed him, despite his son.
Varian had perfectly good reason to kill Garona, but to kill her son to cause her pain is not a good thing. That is something a villain would do, a terrorist, a monster.
Everyone keeps saying Varian is justified in everything, but this is just evil. It's at the very least, second degree murder of a child. A child that didn't do anything to him individually, but rather to cause pain to his mother.
That is heinous.
And yes, he didn't actually manage to kill him, but I'm sure he would have had Med'an not been captured first.
Post by
Adamsm
I'm not disagreeing. As I've said before, I like Varian for what he can be, but I know he has his own massive flaws anyways. Still, yeah killing Med'an would have been a bad thing............. maybe that's why Thrall is becoming the Guardian lol.(Sorry had to toss that in there.)
But, going with something you said earlier, about the Demon Blooded Orc's killing childern......... they didn't seem to care too much when they were slaughtering the Draenei, and that was before they took on Mannoroth's blood. In their eyes, killing every last "blueblood", no matter how old, was justified.
Not the same deal as Varian, but still..... something to think of.
Post by
Skreeran
Indeed, and I don't defend their actions. I read Rise of the Horde and it hurt to read. It was just as bad then as it would have been had Varian done it. It is never acceptable, is what I am saying. There is no excuse.
As far as the orcs go, there's not much we can do. We can try to forgive the ones like Saurfang who truly feel regret. But we can't just have all of the orcs that foguht in the Draenic wars rounded up and slaughtered. That's like half the Horde's forces, and it would just be foolish to kill half your army when we still have to deal with the Lich King, the Burning Legion, and a possible war with the Alliance.
But that's an off-topic. This thread is for one of these Varian supporters that I see all over to explain to me how that there is okay.
Post by
Dralas
Was gone, sorry for such a long wait time.
What Varian said was... not justified, but perhaps not evil. A good example is Arthas himself. In CoT durnhold, you can see him as a child I believe. Knowing what he would do in the future, all the lives he would kill and souls he would take, would it seem so wrong to kill him then? Yes, he is a child, and it is horrible to usually do such a thing, but it would be for the greater good, no matter those circumstances.
I believe Varian sees this the way he does with the orc, that the child will eventually grow up probaly and end up doing something horrible. He does have a good reason to be angry and knows too well on what could happen since his travels.
No, I wouldn't say it is right for him to want to do that, but I don't believe he does it out of being evil.
Post by
Skreeran
Well, good to see you understand him then... I just finished War is Hell Chapter 5: The Final Episode...
Hint hint...
Post by
270811
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Post by
Adamsm
No, the war against the Draenei started before they drank the blood, Rise of the Horde has the full story, but Gul'dan, who had taken over from Ner'zhul and knew the true face of Kil'jaeden, set it up for the Orc's to take the Blood Curse to destroy Shattrah and Karabor(Black Temple).
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325248
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Post by
Skreeran
But it's also important to note that the Draenei were in fact tricked, they weren't, for the most part, bloodthirsty monsters. Ner'zhul told them that the ancestors had revealed that the Draenei were planning to destroy the orcs, and all of the individual clan shaman confirmed it. It was actually Kil'Jaeden in disguise.
As for the Horde becoming more and more bloodthirsty before they drank the blood, think of it as artificial selection. The most brutal and bloodthirsty, like Blackhand and his sons, were placed in positions of power, while those that opposed it, like Durotan, for instance, were banished or executed.
It's just artificial selection, like breeding.
Edit:
No, the war against the Draenei started before they drank the blood
really? do u have a source?
Because i remember that they began slaughtering the Draenei AFTER they drank the bloodRise of the Horde ftw.
Post by
Adamsm
Ever since the Draenei/Eredar Retcon, alot of stuff have been altered so.... here this should help Lovechia, I summerized the events of Rise of the Horde on this
thread.
As for the Source
right here.
Post by
437763
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Post by
Skreeran
I would say that he is certainly consumed by hatred and anger. He, to me, is going down a similar path to Arthas...That's what I think. Arthas had justifications for killing the children he killed too...
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437763
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Post by
Adamsm
Yes, but unlike Arthas, he has people he'll actually listen too; Valeera, his Son, Bolvar(till Wrathgate), and others. Again, I'm not justifing it, but still, to be confronted with something that horrible out of his past, ie Garona, the killer of his father, then finding out she has a son, it's a reversal of what she did to him; she kills his father, so he threatens to kill her son. Doesn't make it right, sure as hell don't make it a good thing, but.... and heres the big thing in my mind which sets Varian apart from Arthas.... He didn't kill Med'an. Arthas would have cut him down without a second thought, Varian at least listened to what the others were telling him.... even if it was just an to set up the utlimatium about Garona being delivered for Death.
Post by
Skreeran
Well, justifications in his eyes. I still think his decision at Stratholme was far too naïve and hasty. He did it to save humanity, yet once he did that he lost any humanity and sanity he may have had.I agree, Jaina made an excellent arguement against it in the Arthas book. I think they went about it too fast. They didn't know who had gotten a lethal dose, they didn't know what a lethal dose was, they hadn't told Lordaeron or anything.
But I know someone's going to argue my point, and so I'm going to say right now that that is purely my opinion and I don't want to argue about it (again) in this thread. In a way, you could say that you can't change what happened (unless, y'know, you wipe in CoT: CoS), so it's a moot point whether it was th right thing or not.
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