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Why are Horde more advantageous in lore ?
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Post by
Patty
In addition to Undercity, add in Silvermoon's magical knowledge and...well, I suppose the Draenei cancel it out.
After all, Draenei have been using magic for over 25,000 years.
Post by
Orranis
Scourge is t3h awesome!
But it is rather annoying that Alliance will lose territory in Cataclysm, with the Night Elves losing their forests and homes and Humans losing land to Foresaken.
Then again, I hate the idea of Foresaken.
You seem to forget that the Forsaken ARE humans... Originally. And we wouldn't be taking no land from you if your weren't racist bastards who don't accept ugly people...
Post by
Orranis
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Starting off about the Lordaeron debate, I find that the Forsaken deserve it really. The majority of it's living population was quite low, while the undead population was high, so not really much to say about it belonging to the living, majority rules and all. Then there's the fact that the Forsaken, while only starting out with a bunch of ghouls, banshees, and acolytes, though I think they had a bit more. However that means that they had a bunch of frankly, wimpy troops and had to work for what they got with no necromancers to help, which is saying something for a force of undead. Then using what resources they had, and getting some more from the local population may I add, they fought off three agents of the Burning Legion who were in control of the area, converted one of them to their cause...sort of, and all while being out matched until they used their brains to get the advantage. They used a few banshees to make an army of ogres, bandits, trolls, and a few murlocs, and beat one dreadlord, I know his name but I don't want to make spelling errors and I'm too lazy to look for it. After that they attacked a town filled with the army of the second dreadlord, this time I really forgot his name, and an army of humans, forcing them to have to sneak in and disable the human's before taking on the undead, which took me a few tries to get while playing the WC3 version of this battle. Then with what was left of those humans, they launched a pincer attack against the third dreadlord, who was in control of one hell of an army, and a demon portal. I find that the Forsaken deserve the place for fighting so hard against the Legion to get it.
Getting to the original topic, I find that the Horde is winning more often because of who they are. Fine, they're out numbered, out geared, and beaten tech-wise, though let's see them say that once goblins show up, but the Horde has the sheer awesomeness of themselves to thank for their success.
-Orcs; friggin huge walls of muscle, and that's just the females, who are so awesome, that an orc wearing armor that doesn't even cover him completely and an axe, can take on a human of the same rank, wearing full plate, with a shield and still have it considered a tie. Hell in WC3, I don't know about the first two, but orc grunts, their lowest level fighting unit, has way more health than any other tier one unit, and does great damage, and is like the only tier 1 melee unit in the game for any race that can be used fairly well to win a match with just a massed amount of them and a hero or two.
-Tauren; If orcs are huge walls of muscle, then tauren are titanic walls of muscle, again that's just the women. Honestly, these guys are like, over-powering in the least. They tower above humans to the point where they can crush plate with their bare hands, let alone with a weapon, and there is a reason why they can statistically take more damage than anyone else under the same circumstances; as in same armor, level, and under the same effects.
-Forsaken; These guys are cheat codes for real life, if WoW was real life anyway. These guys can technically be just as good of fighters as orcs or tauren, but don't get tired, don't sleep, don't eat, don't drink, and don't even breath. Stick 'em with a sword, what do they care? So long as it isn't their head or their limb doesn't fall off, their fine. Shoot them, that's even worse than stabbing them! They have the most feared assassins, their mages and warlocks were probably mostly from the Kirin Tor, and seriously, their alchemists are scary good at hurting people. I have no doubt they can take on the pre-wow Alliance, they just don't want to fight the Alliance and the Horde I think.
-Trolls; These guys aren't anything to sneeze at. Trolls can regenerate wounds that would kill most other living things and they're extremely versitile. Seriously how else would they get mages simply cause other people used mages against them. They are quite capable with both divine and arcane magic, that's a pretty impressive thing. Remember, 'Trolls be flippin' out mon!'
-Blood Elves; The Alliance lost out on one of their greatest allys when they drove away the Blood Elves. It was the High Elves who taught humans magic in the first place, and even though it really caught on in the ranks of humans, seriously though, they still made up the a good portion of the best mages. The Alliance lost a great deal of their magical might when the majority of high elves became blood elves. And now the Horde has the power of guys who live well beyond most other races, plus they got pallys now, so that's a win.
The Horde was and is a great military force, since the butchering of the....those blue guys on Draenor, to us handing the Alliance their behinds (usually) in Wintergrasp on a daily basis, I have no difficulty seeing why the Horde is so successful. Not to mention the Horde fights for survival in a world that hates them, they have to be successful, or they will be dead.
Don't you love how, in game this translates to:
Orcs: Like 2 more base strength, and they can get really @#$%ed.
Tauren: Like 50 extra health, and a stun.
Forsaken: A stun resist and... Underwater breathing?
Trolls: I'm regenerating 5 health per second and there's nothing you can do about it!
Blood elves: A silence and... Enchanting?
Post by
Orranis
have divine and arcane power considering how they have no large orders of mages or priests.
Troll priests are actually practicioners of their Loa religion. Lorewise they are all Shadow Priests.
And in fact, the Zandalar, first tribe of trolls are proficient with arcane magic and divine as well. You shouldn't understimate the Zandalar knowledge on lore.
but statistically, most warlocks were previously mages, or shamans in the case of the orcs. Also, you can't forget that the Dalaran was in close proximity to Lordaeron, and was attacked by the Scourge, making it not too far of a streatch to assume that these forsaken who are casters were from the kirin tor in the first place,
I believe that in the end the Undercity developed an Arcane "High School" of its own, the Mage Quarter (gosh, quarter of a capital city just for magicians?). And you're probably right when you say that most mages either came or studied in Dalaran. But you shouldn't understimate the number of rogue wizards (bandits and such, we see them everywhere) and Dalaran's population insignificance when compared to the millions of lives taken in Lordaeron.
Technically, they aren't shadow priests either, shadow priests are the forsakens "Shadow Ascendents" in the Cult of Forgotten Shadow, they're Loa priests, but there's no "Super awesome troll god" spec. And I bet troll hunters are technically shadow hunters, praising Loa instead of wild (Aspect of the Legba! (Loa of speed)
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Post by
Adamsm
Yearg, enough with the critwalls of quote texts.
I have to agree with the Draenei thing, their power of magic was what brough them to the Legion's eyes after all. I know that now there more focused with the Light, but I doubt you would just forget your old ties to the magical arts, more then likely that is how Velen has been alive for 40k years, 15 thousands years before the Naaru arrived through magic, then 25k years from the Light.
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Post by
Adamsm
Heh no problem Delt, I'm biased towards the Draenei after all.
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Post by
Adamsm
Well........ they don't brag about their magical powers, I think they feel kinda of stupid that because of them, it attracted the Legion and turned 90% of the race into pure evil monsters of death destruction and chaos.
I know they're worried about the Night Elves once they learn the history and hear about both the Satyrs and the Well of Eternity, so righteous works for them, as they feel the need to try to help them learn from the past mistakes.... even though they already have... till Cataclysm anyways.
As for the last, well as the greatest followers of Light, they wouldn't go around bragging about that either, it's not their fault that the giant Crystalized Light beings decided to save them from the corruption of the Legion after all.
Guess they get the Humble title as well.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh.
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