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What do you want from your faction leader?
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Post by
Adamsm
Thrall becoming the Guardian of Tirisfal...No... just no, for the love of the Gods in Azeroth, Outland, the real world and beyond.
Post by
HiVolt
Thrall becoming the Guardian of Tirisfal...No... just no, for the love of the Gods in Azeroth, Outland, the real world and beyond.
I didn't say I'd like it, but I'll take it if it stirs things up a bit. I'd actually rather see him die than become the Guardian in all honesty though.
Post by
Adamsm
I'm hoping for the whole "Druid and Shaman team against the Fire Lord", and leave Med'an as the new Guardian, with Garrosh a raid kill for taking over the Horde when he shouldn't have.
Post by
taurenmoo812
The fact is regarding Thrall, people admire him, fans love him for what he is, and even those against the horde admire his noble qualities. The small exception of people trying to find problems with Thrall always stem from an old horde vs new horde debate and basing it on game mechanics rather then actual lore.
Thrall needs more development in wow to break away from this static figure they created and breath life back into him like what made him the greatest orc on azeroth. There isn't any reason to break from his character as a noble man and spirital shaman, but he shouldn't be shot down by someone like Garrosh either just to make some naf comparison to 'This is what Thralls like and this is what Garrosh is like', Just have Thrall teach Garrosh that if he dares bring the horde back into its dark past, he'll suffer for it.
I have to say, Thrall is the reason I'm so held to the horde. An orc who shows his level of self dignity and wisdom, matched with a battle prowess and leadership to boot, as it says on wowwiki
To friends, Thrall is warm and generous, freely swapping stories and information. Hospitality is extended to everyone, but Thrall expects all visitors to contribute in some way to Orgrimmar’s survival
What we need though is to see Thrall not taking anymore crap from this, fighting back against not just the outside forces, but the inside corrupted elements of the horde to route them out.
The other leaders of the horde are in serious need of some development too. Sylvanas seems fine given she should be making an appearance in icecrown.
Vol'jin has done nothing since wow began. Even at battle for undercity he sat there at the start ehen disappeared.
Lor'themar has had nothing since those starting quests in TBC.
And Cairne, it looks like only having a quest associated with childrens days will be his legacy before Garrosh kills him.
If you had these other leaders showing some strength in the govering body of the horde, it could override the dark image ones like the forsaken has made.
I didn't say I'd like it, but I'll take it if it stirs things up a bit. I'd actually rather see him die than become the Guardian in all honesty though.
yeah don't even joke about that. I'm fed up of seeing characters become martyr's when they shouldn't. If something like they happened to Thrall I would just delete my account and poke two fingers up at blizzard telling them where to stick it.
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229054
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Post by
Septimus
Magni needs to get off his ass and kick some sense into Mr. Chin. I mean the guy
forged
Ashbringer, that is way more awesome then anything Varian has ever done.
Post by
Adamsm
Magni needs to get off his ass and kcik some sense into Mr. Chin. I mean the guy
forged
Ashbringer, that is way more awesome then anything Varian has ever done.
QTF.
Post by
Achloryn
Of course, Alliance needs it too. We need more Velen trying to promote factional peace, we need Magni grabbing Varian by the chin and telling the lad to chill out before he pounds him into the ground like a tent peg, we need to see more Tyrande.... actually maybe not, seeing as the last time she was active she murdered all the Barrow guards and let her crazyarse brother in law free......
And with Gnomer being reborn in Cataclysm, we might see more with the High Tinker.
this...
Exactly, Alliance too. I mean, Varian acts like he's the leader of the Alliance, but he's not.
I've always wondered about that. Varian even goes so far as to refer to himself as king of the alliance.. I understand why Thrall is warchief of the horde... that makes sense and is well explained.. but Varian is king of stormwind... that's it.. He isn't the head of the alliance.. there IS no head of the alliance.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I've always wondered about that. Varian even goes so far as to refer to himself as king of the alliance.. I understand why Thrall is warchief of the horde... that makes sense and is well explained.. but Varian is king of stormwind... that's it.. He isn't the head of the alliance.. there IS no head of the alliance.
Its a very good point. Before Varian came back, there was no one who could try and claim leader of the alliance, except perhaps for Jaina in her past actions like at Hyjal. The alliance hasn't shown weakness at all when it comes to not having a faction leader like Thrall.
The only reason Varian gets regarded by some as leader of the alliance is because he's a screaming punk with issues against the horde, unlike any of the other alliance leaders whos resolve is far claimer and more leader like then his.
What they should do is develop Magni, Velen and high tinker (any maybe tyrande too) to show up the fact the those factions of the alliance don't need to support Varians 'kill all greenskins' method. Look at Velen for example. If any of the alliance leaders can speak of suffering to the old horde the most, its him, seeing how the demon manipulated horde killed so many of his people.. and yet he remains an image of wisdom and claim, looking into the present rather then the past.
That chump Varian could learn a lession from Velen.
(And just for the record, although I've done 'For the Horde' on my characters, I always! feel bad after we down Velen, same as someone said they feel bad downing Thrall when doing for the alliance).
Post by
Patty
Magni needs to get off his ass and kcik some sense into Mr. Chin. I mean the guy
forged
Ashbringer, that is way more awesome then anything Varian has ever done.
QTF.
Win :') His chin is of epicly large proportions. ;)
Post by
Septimus
This just in...
New reports state that King Varian Wrynn is planning to challenge Deathwing. But apparently this is no normal duel, this is a fight of the CHINS!
The winner will be crown Chin King of the Year...Now we just have to wait and see how this chin-tastic battle plays out.
Post by
Skreeran
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/29/20133923433-dont-forget-voljin-and-the-darkspear-trolls.html
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229054
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Post by
Skreeran
I still don't like Tyrande. Maybe it's because I haven't read th WotA Trilogy. She was a whiny $%^&* in WC3.
Post by
Adamsm
Need more Blue child.
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166613
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
You guys are being foolish, why would they blame Varian for taking a stand against somthing they could not because they were not the Alliance's leader, but now the Leader of the Alliance (as confirmed by Wowwiki), Varian Wrynn is making a stand, because some horde fan boys with problems said so?
Sorry, but until Blizzard themselves, and not a fan-site where random people post information, says that Varian is the "leader of the Alliance", I refuse to believe that Velen Magni or the High Tinker agree with his ideas and thoughts, we all know Tyrande is insane as hell, but hopefully once Malfurion comes back, he'll temper her again.
No, I seriously doubt that all. and get over the fact that we are the good-guys again.As for that..... Dark you realize your going to get reported from most of the users for saying that....
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
I really think you should have read my reasons that they think that he is the one to follow, and it would explain why he has been in charge of so many Alliance races in the Alliance Vanguard. Except he's not. Brann Bronzebeard is the leader of the Dwarf Explorer's league and he does what he wants, Muradin Bronzebeard leads the Frostborn, and while there working with the Alliance, they only listen to him, The Covenant listens to Vereesa over Varian, and she is more focused on assisting the Kirin Tor and the Argent Crusade in Northrend then in fighting a useless idiotic pointless war. In all honesty, I could say that Velen is the supreme leader of the Alliance and it would have just as much credence as you saying Varian is.
You remember that whole "The Alliance will not help with Ulduar" bull crap? You still see Brann and the Explorer's league in there, working to stop the god of Death, which means that Brann thumbed his nose at the rage-a-holic and focused on the real problem.
Just because, again, Wowwiki, which isn't a Blizzard site, says that someone is the "Leader of the Alliance" doesn't make it true. The Alliance is nothing like the Horde, they don't just follow one leader because he says so. They follow their own faction leader's first and foremost.
As for the comic thing.... haven't you figured out they're doing the whole Lich King lead up? More then likely that is why the comics are splitting in Nov, so that they can tell both sides of the Wrathgate and the Battle for the Undercity, from both Faction perspectives.
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