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Post by
taurenmoo812
So... what happend to Thrall? And will we be able to reclaim Southshore? I loved that place, the rumors of Horde conquering it scare meHorde doesn't conquer it, it gets wiped out by tidal waves.
Well I'm #$%^ed off at the prospect of having to serve under Garrosh as leader for a time, I can see a developing plot here. Why is it the alliance have Thrall captured that the goblins need to rescue him? How did he end up there in the first place?
And I say this like before, Phasing tech will change things in regards to things like orgrimmar, characters and zones, and it'll be done over time,
meaning
Garrosh won't hold his seat of people for good.. he's just been made that way as someone a true horde fan can hate.
Thrall is my warchief, I won't stand by another, and if alliance raiders were to come to kill Garrosh, I'd just not care, they can kill him.
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451455
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Post by
ArgentSun
Read the introductory Goblin quests on WoWWiki. A few of them deals with getting a hold on some "precious cargo", which ends up being Thrall.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Why is it the alliance have Thrall captured that the goblins need to rescue him? How did he end up there in the first place?
They did not, this was someone's theroy on how the goblins joined the Horde before Catalysm was even announced. No one is really sure why Thrall is missing.
I'm not even sure how you missed that Darkton...
Post by
Rankkor
Garrosh is confirmed to be the new leader of the Horde
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
evicted all but the orcs and tauren from the center of the city
I hate him already.
So does this mean we can raid Garrosh and camp him?
I have an alliance toon with loremaster achievement, and you can bet that I'll be one of the first to kill garrosh for his achievement (but I hope he doesn't have one, if he has an achievement it means he's gonna be the permanent leader of the horde, wereas a temp leader wound't have an achievement)
Wish granted, the Alliance loses like 8 bases, encampments and towns... happy
and we loose cairne, thrall, trolls forsaken and blood-elves get kicked out of ogrimar, and on top of that we get an idiot as our "leader", so no, we're not happy.
understand that a change like this is as if on alliance, varian was replaced by the illegitimate son of blackmoore, wich as his first act of king he kills magni, evicts all dwarves from stormwind, and then proposes the most stupid tactics ever to win a war.
if something like that happened, every alliance fan would be FURIOUS, so now u can sort of see our point of view here, we didn't just lost a few bases and towns filled with pleebes, we just lost 2 of our best leaders, and one of them permanently (unless cairne is allowed to reincarnate)
Thrall is my warchief, I won't stand by another, and if alliance raiders were to come to kill Garrosh, I'd just not care, they can kill him
amen brother.
if any raider wanna kill garrosh, not only I wound't stop them I would actually help them, I may just leave my ally toon near ogrimar in case I see a surprise raid on the town, I log on my toon, but refuse to kill anyone exept garrosh.
why blizzard? Why have u done this to us? WHY?
(yelling 70 variations of the "F word" in spanish...........)
Post by
HiVolt
(but I hope he doesn't have one, if he has an achievement it means he's gonna be the permanent leader of the horde, wereas a temp leader wound't have an achievement)
See in this your logic is a little flawed. If he doesn't have an achievement, and you still have to kill Thrall for it... that's going to pose a problem with what Thrall's doing in Hyjal. I understand that with Thrall being there, he'll essentially be neutral, unless I've misinterpreted it.
Also, if Thrall loses his achievement, that would mean that a leader doesn't have to be permanent to gain an achievement for killing them. Since he has one now, but may not in Cataclysm, his would have been temporary, technically, and as such all of them can be temporary if they're replaced in some way.
Post by
Patty
Blergh.
I am going to /cheer at every Alliance raid who kills Garrosh. Then teabag his corpse and have a party with Saurfang.
Post by
451455
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Post by
Patty
He's being satirical and sarcastic. He is using it as a hypothetical example, not as canon.
Post by
Adamsm
understand that a change like this is as if on alliance, varian was replaced by the illegitimate son of blackmoore, wich as his first act of king he kills magni, evicts all dwarves from stormwind, and then proposes the most stupid tactics ever to win a war.
Dont count on it
pal
My
theroy is that Garrosh is the Horde's turn to have an idiot for a leader, like how Jaina would sell our souls in a instant to save the Horde.
Now, lets go over your "theroy"...
-Son of Blackmoore? We all know he is Llane's son, dont talk unless you know your lore.
-Kill Magni? Do you know your lore? He and Magni have been allys since Comic issue #10-14 or somthing...
-Evicts Dwarfs from Stormwind? Since when does he discriminate
his allys?
Are you informed of that picture of him shaking hands with Thargas (a dwarf) and thanking him for his "friendship"? Stop painting him as a human superimist.
-Stupied Tactics? Now I know you are just insulting him for being anti-horde. Reghar even says himself that Varian looked more of a leader then a desterter when he first met him.
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Sorry to Argentsun and Taruenmoo on the goblin thing, I did not see it any where on WoW.com, and did not check Wowwiki.
Dark, deep breath, he was making a joke. Calm down, count to 10, whatever. Seriously man, ease up on the Varian love.
Post by
451455
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Post by
Patty
I was joking too...
May want to re-read it then. It certainly doesn't give off a jokey tone - Sorry.
Also, saying "everything is a joke" isn't really an excuse. Anyhoo, good night!
Post by
Adamsm
So, if the Orc's are considering the Tauren to the be the only one's equal to them.... why do they let the Alliance raze camp Taurjo to the ground, forcing the Tauren to actually fortify the entrance into Mulgore? You'd think Garrosh would send some of the Warsong forces down to help them and keep it from being destroyed.
Post by
taurenmoo812
So, if the Orc's are considering the Tauren to the be the only one's equal to them.... why do they let the Alliance raze camp Taurjo to the ground, forcing the Tauren to actually fortify the entrance into Mulgore? You'd think Garrosh would send some of the Warsong forces down to help them and keep it from being destroyed.
I sense an unheaval when it comes to the tauren leadership. With leaked info on Cairne being killed by Garrosh, the possibility of Magatha Grimtotem taking power over the tauren at that moment, its obvious she would use that to her advantage. Thrall is obviously to smart for her to achieve anything, but the events of cataclysm would provide her with something to use in gaining power over the tauren.
That then leaves the question of Cairnes son.
Post by
taurenmoo812
You know Dark you
Really
lost the point Rankkor was trying to make...
Now, lets go over your "theroy"...
-Son of Blackmoore? We all know he is Llane's son, dont talk unless you know your lore.
He didn't Varian, he said the illegitimate son of blackmoore, as in using your imagination of blackmoore having a son, like how Grom had a son....
-Kill Magni? Do you know your lore? He and Magni have been allys since Comic issue #10-14 or somthing...
Again read above, remember that thing 'using your imagination'.
-Evicts Dwarfs from Stormwind? Since when does he discriminate his allys? Are you informed of that picture of him shaking hands with Thargas (a dwarf) and thanking him for his "friendship"? Stop painting him as a human superimist.
illegitimate son of blackmoore again.
-Stupied Tactics? Now I know you are just insulting him for being anti-horde. Reghar even says himself that Varian looked more of a leader then a desterter when he first met him.
That was before his true colours came to the surface as a near sighted rageaholic.
Varians got a face like melted tar and a chin like a dam.. ooh I was only joking, haha!
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240135
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Post by
Adamsm
Anyways.... not sure how this got on the topic of Varian....
So, here's a really good question: while it is true that "Alliance" seem to be behind the whole capturing Thrall thing(oh wait, there it is, reverse of Varian kidnapping), how do we know these are humans? I mean, it's not like we haven't seen Black Flight members (*cough*onyxia/nefarion*cough*) taking human forms before, and would make sense how Thrall is captured as nearly every truly powerful mage is part of the Kirin Tor and they wouldn't agree to something lilke that, and the Stormwind Conjurer's, those that are starting to reappear, wouldn't be powerful enough to capture Thrall.
So, Black Flight capturing Thrall, Goblins help him out, then Thrall seeing that, realizes just what a threat Deathwing actually is and heads north to Hyjal, leaving from Aszhara, believing everything is as it should be in Orgrimmar, not realizing Garrosh had seized control...... too bad Blizzard wouldn't do it like that... /sigh.
Post by
Arkham
Anyways.... not sure how this got on the topic of Varian....Every topic seems to do that these days. :|
Post by
437763
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Post by
Rankkor
understand that a change like this is as if on alliance, varian was replaced by the illegitimate son of blackmoore, wich as his first act of king he kills magni, evicts all dwarves from stormwind, and then proposes the most stupid tactics ever to win a war.
Dont count on it
pal
My
theroy is that Garrosh is the Horde's turn to have an idiot for a leader, like how Jaina would sell our souls in a instant to save the Horde.
Now, lets go over your "theroy"...
-Son of Blackmoore? We all know he is Llane's son, dont talk unless you know your lore.
-Kill Magni? Do you know your lore? He and Magni have been allys since Comic issue #10-14 or somthing...
-Evicts Dwarfs from Stormwind? Since when does he discriminate
his allys?
Are you informed of that picture of him shaking hands with Thargas (a dwarf) and thanking him for his "friendship"? Stop painting him as a human superimist.
-Stupied Tactics? Now I know you are just insulting him for being anti-horde. Reghar even says himself that Varian looked more of a leader then a desterter when he first met him.
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dude seriuosly stop being such a varian zealot.
I wasn't making a theory, I was givign an example.
the 2 key-words on that post are AS IF.
of course that what I said was fake, I was saying that I'm angry that garrosh is gonna be our leader.
and so that you could understand my point of view I ilustrated this example.
understand that a change like this is
AS IF
on alliance,
VARIAN
was
REPLACED
by the illegitimate son of blackmoore, wich as his first act of king he kills magni, evicts all dwarves from stormwind, and then proposes the most stupid tactics ever to win a war
look at the highligthed words dude, I know u and many other alliance players love their new leader, but if he got replaced by a total idiot who then kills the dwarf leader and evicts dwarves from stormwind, none of the alliance players would like it.
now, first of all, I wasn't talking about varian whatsoever, I was saying that if (again key word IF) something like this happened (and is imposible that it happens, but let's for a moment use the imagination and asume it happened) then you and every one who loves the alliance would be really angry.
of course that my example is not now nor ever gonna happen, but if it did, you wound't like it. after all on that quote I did said "if varian was replaced by a warmonger son of blackmoore"
that's how i feel about the new leader of the horde.
if something like that happened
, every alliance fan would be FURIOUS, so now u can sort of see our point of view here, we didn't just lost a few bases and towns filled with pleebes, we just lost 2 of our best leaders, and one of them permanently (unless cairne is allowed to reincarnate)
see? again key word "IF", I never said it will happen, I never said I want it to happen, I said if it happened every alliance fan would be as angry as we are about garrosh.
seriously, stop draging varian into every thread opened, it's getting old.
(and stop using the "it was a joke" excuse, we all know it's fake)
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