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Morec0
And yes, I am happy with Varian in Icecrown. I didn't like the p*ssed off version that we see so much, and it's good to see him showing an orc compassion. I honestly never thought we'd see him do that so soon.QFT.
He knows what its like to lose a father, he must only be able to imagine what it must be like to lose a son.
RIP Saurfang Jr.
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Post by
Rankkor
Gnomish flight machine: I got a flying machine!.
Goblin zep: I LAUGH IN THE FACE OF DANGER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
(goblins may be sneaky, backstabbing little bastards, but cowards they aint)
Post by
Morec0
I always thought that was just insanity...
"AHHHH! You scared me!"
"*Creeking* That sound, that's a bad sound!"
A cookie to the first guy to name the quoted.
Post by
Interest
Let me point at something else, said by Uther.
Loosely summarized, he said that somebody has take on the burden of becoming a Lich King, so the Scourge armies don't annihilate all Azeroth. My top 3 takers would be Tirion, Saurfang, and ... Muradin?
Jaina
?
Sylvanas
?
You beat me to it damn you.
I think Tirion will become the next Lich King.
Why? He became an even more prominent figure in this expansion and is pretty much the grand commander of the war against the Lich King. It would only make sense that he would also sacrifice himself to stop the Scourge from ravaging the land...
Post by
Skreeran
Would make sense.
Although making Bolvar the new Lich King would be pretty freaking badass.
Same withe Saurfang, although it's a million times less likely.
Post by
taurenmoo812
No, most Varian fans maintain that this has been his personality all along, and that his actions in the Undercity was an exception to the rule.
(And this is the Alliance version by the way; Saurfang didn't have to kill his own son in this.)
Then its a nieve thought at best. Given his actions in undercity, the violet citadel, at the theramore meeting and the argent tournament, he has up until now shown little kingship or nobliity. If it took seeing Saurfang grieve at the lose of his son to make him realise orcs arn't the bad guys, then good thing, but I'll reserve any thought of him changing his ways until shown otherwise.
And forgive *my* bluntness, but most of your posts that I've seen have been aimmed at shaping the Horde into a bunch of poor persecuted refugees who have never done anything to antagonize Varian and the Alliance ever.
If you have read the comics, then maybe you should look through them again. You said Varian has never acted like a king, which is flat out wrong, and is shown in both the comics and in-game (if you rolled an Alliance character)
I would assume that by "jumping to conclusions" you are referring to Varian's reaction to Garona in Theramore. Did you ever think to yourself that perhaps Cho'gall chose Garona and gave her the orders "You must kill Varian at all costs" for a reason? I think it was because either Cho'gall or C'thun knew that Garona was the only individual on Azeroth who could stir such a reaction from him.
Think about it, King Llane was killed under the pretenses that "It's okay, Garona is a good orc and a friend." And now, in Theramore, Garona shows up to kill Varian while Varian is meeting with "Thrall, who's a good orc and a friend." Anybody would put two and two together; again, Varian doesn't have access to Wowwiki like the rest of us.
And I'm really getting sick of people calling Varian "emo." He hasn't done anything to exhibit being emo at all.
Then you don't read enough I have to say. If you did bother to read my posts as you claim to, you'd know I more then accept the hordes dark past as to what happened, and what the first horde did to the alliance. I am however someone who also can look beyond those past events and see the horde as having redeemed itself many times over, unlike most alliance only fans who would never see this.
no, Varian has not shown any form of kingship up until now, but rather acting like some implusive general or commander with little regard for anyone around him, your see enough cases posted by Skeeran, Adam and others of other lore characters trying to reason with him, and him being unable to listen to him, not a kingly aspect.
What makes you think I didn't know what this whole Garona attacking Varian at theramore thing was about? Its so obvious it was set up to spark Varians hatred and reaction to the horde and break a peace meeting, why would Garona be sent to Theramore at that time unless this was the intention.
You might think yourself the only person here to have read the comics, but you really do only see it from one angle.
If Varian was as cleaver as your making out, he wouldn't need access to wowwiki (¬.¬) but would have the ability to look futher then his short sighted vision and see it was all set up, well more intelligent lore figures were able to see it and look beyond such petty hatreds and grudges.
And I am just to fed up of every alliance fayboy making the same post saying
'Oh but Varian has reason to hate the orcs because..'
since every time someone posts that and a reasonable response it made why its wrong, its always ignored by said alliance fan, who just repeats the same comment.
On the contrary; most Alliance fans I've met still treat Thrall like the big green jesus that he is. If anything, your reaction to Varian *sparing the life of the Orc who just attacked his men* and allowing him to take the body of his son is indicative of what I've come to expect from the Warcraft 3 generation of Horde players: "We can do no wrong and everything is the Alliance's fault because recognizing that makes me super special and exhibits my stunning ability to like non-humans."
Then your list must be a short piece of thread.
So to think given all the crap Varian has displayed towards the horde of late is something that should be suddenly overlooked because he lets Saurfang claim his sons body? By that same definiation, I could say, with a similar example of a quest chain that happens in Grizzley hills where Gorgonna sends you to grant Sasha her freedom, that by that same reasoning this means the horde is now not capable of commiting any wrong towards another human?
Your generalization is pretty lackluster too, for someone with a keen vocabulary you certainly you don't mind pulling out the put downs. I could just as well say by your enlightenling speech this is why I dislike the alliance so much, because it has with it such players with a stuck up attitude who thinks itself the good faction, but then they wouldn't be prudent would it?
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Post by
Rankkor
let's get this thread back on subject ok? those who wanna keep discussing more about varian pls do so on the respective thread about it.
uther's words are scary, some new lich king must take the place of the old one, and the top 3 candidates are Tirion, Darion, and Bolvar.
I think darion is the most likely one.
bolvar would make a good choise, but he's alliance allinged, and I'm not so sure the rest of azeroth would be happy if the new lead of the undead is the almost brother of the king of the humans.
conflict of intrerests and that sort of things.
Tirion would also be an intresting choise but frankly after all he's done, I don't think this is a proper way to reward him for what he's done, he is the reason the tension from horde and alliance has diminished.
the argent tournament was able to soothe those tensions to a point (despite varian's and garrosh's intentions on provoking animosity)
now Darion: well, darion knows much about sacrifice, and his father said that one day his son would wield the ashbringer and with it meete out justice across the land, and when that day comes lordaeron would be a better place because of him.
if darion is the lich king, he can order the rest of the undead to stand down, and return to icecrown, this would bring peace to lordaeron, and since he would be ridding lordaeron from the scourge permanently, then that place would be a better place because of his actions.
of course another way to spin this arround is that Tirion is the new lich king, and darion the new ashbringer.
Post by
Morec0
Darion probably has the most capability, he is a death knight, and there's probably going to be a twist that: "only an undead can weild the Lich King's powers." Or something like that.
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