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A Question to ask about loot rules about BoE epics.
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Post by
Badguy
Good whining.
You're putting a lot of emphasis on what he's going to use the item for.
Everyone should roll need on all BoE items so there can't be any extra whining about a ninja. Everyone can use the item, it doesn't matter what use they make of it.
Gold might not be as important to you as 'an upgrade', but it is to some people.
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Badguy
That's incredible and I'm happy you have a lot of gold, but that doesn't mean everyone else does.
For some reason, you think your benefit is more important than somebody else's.
Having bad gear doesn't entitle you to loot. An upgrade dropped, you rolled and lost. Let it go.
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sutasafaia
It sounds like you just need to group with people who aren't scrubs Trolls. My groups have exactly one rule for gear: if you need it, need it and equip it immediately. If you aren't going to equip it immediately upon getting it, you greed it. I have yet to have any real problem in the groups I've been in that couldn't be solved with a simple kick. And in the event a group I join doesn't agree, I leave and find a new one within 60 seconds as a general rule.
The only gray area is people needing an item they can't equip until next level. As a general rule they have to greed it but I've been in groups where people have all agreed to let them have it instead. Just depends if your grouped with nice people or greedy people.
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Skadja
If I were on my priest, I'd have rolled against you. On my DK, I would not have.
I'm the same with my priest and the Battered Hilt. I have done the Quel'Delar quest chain (which doesn't give any kind of announcement for completion for classes which can't use a sword, poo)...so I won't roll on it. I know others will, and I know I may well be passing in favor of someone who will sell it. But I don't want to risk rolling against someone who will use it.
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sutasafaia
It sounds like you just need to group with people who aren't scrubs Trolls. My groups have exactly one rule for gear: if you need it, need it and equip it immediately. If you aren't going to equip it immediately upon getting it, you greed it. I have yet to have any real problem in the groups I've been in that couldn't be solved with a simple kick. And in the event a group I join doesn't agree, I leave and find a new one within 60 seconds as a general rule.
The only gray area is people needing an item they can't equip until next level. As a general rule they have to greed it but I've been in groups where people have all agreed to let them have it instead. Just depends if your grouped with nice people or greedy people.
I would so need a BOE epic on you. What a moronic rule. One that isn't enforceable by the way.
Of course it can be enforced. If you roll need on a BoE (that isn't an upgrade), you get kicked and replaced. As of yet I have yet to run a group who complained about it in the slightest, so apparently on my server it's more commonplace to actually follow the ideas of need before greed.
If people want to run around claiming they can roll need on BoE because they need gold, that means we can roll need on BoP because we need gold also. You don't get to have it only one way.
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Blitzfire
I'm willing to bet that all of you people saying "it's an upgrade, you should have gotten it" are the same people who need on hilts over people who want to use them just so you can put it on the AH for it to never sell...
Post by
pezz
What keeps me wondering, is why people claim that you can need on BoE for gold, but not BoP? BoP items can be vendored for gold. Does that mean, by the right of needing gold, that blizzards new Need/Greed sorting system, is wrong to deny my priest plate items, as i could sell them? If that's the case, what's the point of the Need/Greed system?
You could sell Jetze's bell (I'm sure I spelled that wrong) for several thousand gold, which you can use to buy an actual gear upgrade of equal or higher value. Probably higher now, since it's only i200, which usually only go for a couple hundred each. You could vendor sell an i232 BoP from the new heroics for... 20g. That won't even come close to buying you anything even remotely as useful to you as it might have been as a direct upgrade for someone else.
Edit: I might explain it another way.
Stop thinking 'well you can sell BoPs for gold too, it's the same thing.' That leads you to believe it's no different making a 20g profit and making a 2kg profit. Think of it this way: 'A BoE can be sold for the equivalent of several pieces of gear, once the gold is turned into upgrades at the AH, but a BoP can only be sold for a tiny fraction of anything useful.'
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GravenTerenas
What keeps me wondering, is why people claim that you can need on BoE for gold, but not BoP? BoP items can be vendored for gold. Does that mean, by the right of needing gold, that blizzards new Need/Greed sorting system, is wrong to deny my priest plate items, as i could sell them? If that's the case, what's the point of the Need/Greed system?
I'm going to assume you're just being facetious here, because if you genuinely can't see how stupid what you just said is, there's no point debating it.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
To the OP- you were absolutely right in expecting to be given the BoE if it was an upgrade. I have only rarely (and only recently) been in a group where people feel that they have the right to need on BoE's to sell, and it's the minority of players. The description and design of the buttons, as well as common sense and courtesy, would indicate that greed = sell, and need = use.
However, I would suggest that arguing the point with people who believe otherwise is pointless. The human brain develops concepts like conscience, empathy, an understanding of fair play and the ability to have a reasonable view of self importance versus the importance of others, only at certain stages when a person is very young. If they have gotten to the teen or adult stage without learning these things, they never can.
Just be happy with the fact that you are not developmentally deficient in these areas, and have the capacity to understand these things, since people with these deficiencies will have trouble interacting with others in many areas of life. And make sure that you practice what you preach- when it's your turn you should show the same courtesy you expect from others with respect to being fair.
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ElhonnaDS
To which I respond that there are two kinds of people- those who do what is considered right because they are internally motivated to do so, and those who do what is considered right because of fear of social branding and repercussions. When you remove the fear of consequences, you find out which you are.
In my opinion, the fact that others might do something I would consider unfair has no bearing on my standards for my own behavior.
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Badguy
If you don't greed on something you plan to sell for gold, you're going to hell.
Is that what's coming next?
Post by
Soltris
In every LFD pug I've been in, BoPs are handled reasonably and everybody rolls Greed when blue BoEs show up (or Disenchant if they're clueless or not paying attention).
I have no problem with rolling need on an epic BoE and would encourage everybody in my group to do the same. I'll pass on every BoP in the world to a person for whom it is a legit upgrade (if it is not also an upgrade for me) because it has a great deal of use to that one person and minimal use to us because it's just vendor trash as far as we're concerned. A BoE worth thousands that drops is worth thousands to *everybody* in the group. If it's an upgrade for you that's nice, but I'm rolling on it too because it has significant value to me as well.
I'm not sure how people reach the conclusion that just because it's an upgrade for them they deserve the item, without thinking of how it could benefit others also. Since the system in place allows everybody to roll for it as-is though I suppose I don't really care. If I win it they can go QQ on the forums that some damn ninja lock took 'their' trinket.
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